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Old 06-22-2015, 10:20 PM
 
Location: Reseda (heart of the SFV)
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SAVANNAH is not conservative. You can walk down the street with a drink in hand, they have a very liberal open container law.
Being able to drink liquor out in public is libertarian, not liberal. Most liberals today try to micromanage every aspect of your life hence there's nothing liberal about them.
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Old 06-22-2015, 10:25 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Wrong again, Mr. Miami. I'm from Florida, but live in Atlanta by choice - as hundreds of thousands of your former neighbors do.
Nobody lives in Atlanta by choice! Your job brought you there or you are stranded.
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Old 06-22-2015, 10:39 PM
 
Location: Tampa - St. Louis
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I think this map says a lot and is a pretty accurate measure of metro conservativeness.

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Old 06-22-2015, 11:04 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Nobody lives in Atlanta by choice! Your job brought you there or you are stranded.
LOL!!!

Just like you are trapped in Orlando against your will, due to Miami's severe dearth of real jobs?

Don't be so bitter because you can't handle your own hometown.
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Old 06-22-2015, 11:08 PM
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Location: Fort Worth
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I think this map says a lot and is a pretty accurate measure of metro conservativeness.
But don't go thinking that Dallas and Houston are conservative based on the rest of the metro area.
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Old 06-22-2015, 11:26 PM
 
Location: Tampa - St. Louis
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Top 30 Metros (Liberal and Conservative)
* Basically every metro over 2 million people
Blue = Liberal Leaning
Red = Conservative Leaning
The darker the more pronounced

1) New York-Newark-Bridgeport, NY-NJ-CT-PA- 21,976,224


2) Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside, CA - 17,775,984


3) Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City, IL-IN-WI - 9,725,317


4) Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-MD-VA-WV - 8,211,213


5) Boston-Worcester-Manchester, MA-RI-NH - 7,465,634


6) San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA - 7,228,948


7) Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD - 6,382,714


8) Dallas-Fort Worth, TX - 6,359,758


9) Houston-Baytown-Huntsville, TX - 5,641,077


10) Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Gainesville, GA-AL - 5,478,667


11) Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Miami Beach, FL - 5,463,857


12) Detroit-Warren-Flint, MI - 5,410,014


13) Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ - 4,039,182


14) Seattle-Tacoma-Olympia, WA - 3,876,211


15) Minneapolis-St.Paul-St. Cloud, MN-WI - 3,502,891


16) Denver-Aurora-Boulder, CO - 2,927,911


17) San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA - 2,941,454


18) Cleveland-Akron-Elyria, OH - 2,917,801


19) St. Louis-St. Charles-Farmington, MO-IL - 2,858,549



20) Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL - 2,697,731


21) Pittsburgh-New Castle, PA - 2,462,571


22) Sacramento--Arden-Arcade--Truckee, CA-NV - 2,211,790


23) Charlotte-Gastonia-Salisbury, NC-SC - 2,191,604


24) Portland-Vancouver-Beaverton, OR-WA - 2,137,565



25) Cincinnati-Middletown-Wilmington, OH-KY-IN - 2,147,617



26) Orlando-The Villages, FL - 2,053,623


27) Kansas City-Overland Park-Kansas City, MO-KS - 2,034,796


28) Indianapolis-Anderson-Columbus, IN - 1,984,644



29) Columbus-Marion-Chillicothe, OH - 1,953,575


30) San Antonio, TX - 1,942,217
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Old 06-22-2015, 11:28 PM
 
Location: Tampa - St. Louis
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But don't go thinking that Dallas and Houston are conservative based on the rest of the metro area.
I think that metro is the only way you can get a true feel of the area. Whether we like it or not, most people that say they are from Houston or Dallas are in fact from the suburbs. Most people that work in Houston and Dallas live in the suburbs. Most people at Dallas Cowboys and Houston Astro games are from the suburbs. They definitely influence the way a city functions and overall vibe of the area.
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Old 06-22-2015, 11:40 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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But don't go thinking that Dallas and Houston are conservative based on the rest of the metro area.
In a large city like Houston or Dallas, both having relatively liberal cores despite their conservative suburbs, its possible to be relatively insulated from the conservatism. In a small city like Oklahoma City, while there are liberal pockets they are so small and isolated that the conservatism is pretty much always in your face. For instance, if you are gay in Dallas there are places in the city where guys can walk down the streets holding hands and nobody would care. I wouldn't recommend anybody try that in Oklahoma City.
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Old 06-23-2015, 06:52 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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I think this map says a lot and is a pretty accurate measure of metro conservativeness.
IMHO there are two problems with using the lean of the metro, rather than that of the core city, to judge the "conservativeness" of a city.

1. If those suburbs are separately incorporated, then they have little political influence on your life in the core city, except insofar as they influence state government more broadly.

2. Where suburbs do effect core urban life they act almost identically whether or not they are "liberal" or "conservative." Suburbs in the Bay Area, for example, are notorious for being against newer high-density development, and in many cases block additional affordable housing from being built within their border. And many "left" leaning suburbs block mass transit projects from going through them, due to parochial concerns.
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Old 06-23-2015, 07:33 AM
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Location: Fort Worth
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I think that metro is the only way you can get a true feel of the area. Whether we like it or not, most people that say they are from Houston or Dallas are in fact from the suburbs. Most people that work in Houston and Dallas live in the suburbs. Most people at Dallas Cowboys and Houston Astro games are from the suburbs. They definitely influence the way a city functions and overall vibe of the area.
We're talking about cities... NOT metro.

The only major city in Texas that's even close to being conservative is Fort Worth, and like I said earlier, it's more moderate. And I don't know what it's like in St. Louis, but in DFW, the suburbs have little influence on Dallas or Fort Worth.
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