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These export totals don't necessarily reflect the value of locally manufactured goods exported.
Exports of goods manufactured throughout the U.S. are assigned to headquarters city of the corporate manufacturer.
E.g., so Cincinnati gets credit for all of the U.S. exports of GE Aviation and Proctor & Gamble, even when goods are manufactured elsewhere in the U.S.
<<The series assigns the export shipments to specific areas of the country based on the address of the United States Principal Party of Interest identified in the export declaration. The Principal Party of Interest is “the person or legal entity in the United States Principal Party of Interest identified in the export declaration.">>
Such a document as the one linked above may prove beneficial to someone wishing to better understand how export figures are derived, but there's no good reason for it to be injected into this discussion, wherein all anyone needs to know are the total export stats - which are themselves revealing.
It's like this... If Cincinnati's total export figures must be qualified because they reflect sources of input from outside the metro, then every other metro's total export statistics must be qualified accordingly, including Cleveland, St. Louis and Pittsburgh. It would be an impossible task to identify each element that has contributed to the totals. The total export stats give an accurate reflection of the whole and for this reason are used for public dissemination. What's significant here is the degree to which the export figures of Cincinnati overwhelm the other cities mentioned; in fact, Cincy's total is greater than that of the other three cities combined.
1. Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minn. 2. Cleveland Clinic
3. Massachusetts General Hospital, Boston 4. Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore
5. UCLA Medical Center
6. New York-Presbyterian University Hospital of Columbia and Cornell
7. UCSF Medical Center, San Francisco
8. Northwestern Memorial Hospital, Chicago
9. Hospitals of the University of Pennsylvania-Penn Presbyterian, Philadelphia
10. NYU Langone Medical Center 11. Barnes-Jewish Hospital/Washington University, St. Louis 12. UPMC Presbyterian Shadyside, Pittsburgh
13. Brigham and Women's Hospital, Boston
14. Stanford Health Care-Stanford Hospital, Stanford, Calif.
15. Mount Sinai Hospital, New York
16. Duke University Hospital, Durham, N.C.
17. Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, Los Angeles
18. University of Michigan Hospitals and Health Centers, Ann Arbor
19. Houston Methodist Hospital
20. University of Colorado Hospital, Aurora
Such a document as the one linked above may prove beneficial to someone wishing to better understand how export figures are derived, but there's no good reason for it to be injected into this discussion, wherein all anyone needs to know are the total export stats - which are themselves revealing.
It's like this... If Cincinnati's total export figures must be qualified because they reflect sources of input from outside the metro, then every other metro's total export statistics must be qualified accordingly, including Cleveland, St. Louis and Pittsburgh. It would be an impossible task to identify each element that has contributed to the totals. The total export stats give an accurate reflection of the whole and for this reason are used for public dissemination. What's significant here is the degree to which the export figures of Cincinnati overwhelm the other cities mentioned; in fact, Cincy's total is greater than that of the other three cities combined.
to your comment about exports, I will repeat WRNative's correct information from earlier post:
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These export totals don't necessarily reflect the value of locally manufactured goods exported.
Exports of goods manufactured throughout the U.S. are assigned to headquarters city of the corporate manufacturer.
E.g., so Cincinnati gets credit for all of the U.S. exports of GE Aviation and Proctor & Gamble, even when goods are manufactured elsewhere in the U.S.
<<The series assigns the export shipments to specific areas of the country based on the address of the United States Principal Party of Interest identified in the export declaration. The Principal Party of Interest is “the person or legal entity in the United States Principal Party of Interest identified in the export declaration.">>
For the port statistics - you can't compare those reasonably and attribute it to your metro area -- they are in no way standardized and clearly go waaaaaaay beyond the metro region. In fact the reason they re-designated to be such a huge area, was purely for marketing, to make it seem more important than it is. Trying to use it to boost Cincinnati is just nonsense. Its like Jacksonville annexing an entire county and then standing up and saying its bigger than Miami and Atlanta combined.
Such a document as the one linked above may prove beneficial to someone wishing to better understand how export figures are derived, but there's no good reason for it to be injected into this discussion, wherein all anyone needs to know are the total export stats - which are themselves revealing.
It's like this... If Cincinnati's total export figures must be qualified because they reflect sources of input from outside the metro, then every other metro's total export statistics must be qualified accordingly, including Cleveland, St. Louis and Pittsburgh. It would be an impossible task to identify each element that has contributed to the totals. The total export stats give an accurate reflection of the whole and for this reason are used for public dissemination. What's significant here is the degree to which the export figures of Cincinnati overwhelm the other cities mentioned; in fact, Cincy's total is greater than that of the other three cities combined.
Exactly. I would note, however, that GE aviation, with several manufacturing facilities outside Ohio, is one of the largest U.S. exporters, with a global backlog of over $150 billion. So it's not unreasonable to assume that Cincinnati's export totals are distorted much more than the other cities under consideration. E.g., GE military jet engines are produced in Massachusetts and large commercial engines, like the GEnx for the Boeing 787, are manufactured in North Carolina.
Cincinnati/NKY includes 225 miles of ports, the result of a deliberate reclassification.*If northern Ohio reclassified all of Lake Erie's Ohio ports as a single port, there would be at least 40 million tons of cargo shipped.**Cleveland. unlike Cincinnati is an international port with regularly scheduled service between Europe and certainly Canada.***
I appreciate the links you provided; they tell me everything you need to know. In order to clarify perceptions, I've divided your paragraph into three segments, addressed in order below...
* Why was it necessary to describe the reclassification as deliberate? Could it have been otherwise? What would you have...a random selection using a dart board? Increased commerce up and down the Ohio River system required the cooperative coordination of two states to function as one legal entity, The Port of Cincinnati-Northern Kentucky. In turn, this new port classification has become a new marketing tool for the entire SW Ohio region.
** Sadly to say for Cleveland, your ownlink demonstrates that, even if such a grand scale reclassification were to take place, increased Great Lake tonnage still wouldn't equal that of the Ohio River system - or (most noteworthy) even that of The Port of Cincinnati-Northern Kentucky, which does most of the river system's heavy lifting...
LAKE ERIE SYSTEM.
265miles
40.5 million tons
$3.6 billion value
OHIO RIVER SYSTEM.
451 miles
63 million tons (Cincinnati/NKY 49,930,467 tons) $7.4 billion value
*** Again, thank you because this same link, clarifies which city truly possesses the best international port...however, I'm afraid it's not in Cleveland's favor. By the way, shipping traffic doesn't just ply, haphazardly, up and down the Ohio River. Like the rest of the modern world, they do operate on a schedule.
LAKE ERIE SYSTEM.
"Canada and Europe, Ohio’s two largest trade partners are accessible via the Lake Erie System. Via the Great Lakes and St. Lawrence Seaway, Ohio’s northern ports have direct access to the Atlantic Ocean to the east, Canada’s industrial heartland to the north and Minnesota’s iron ranges to the west."
OHIO RIVER SYSTEM.
"Ohio’s River Terminals also provide access to the Gulf of Mexico, markets in Central and South America, the Atlantic Ocean, as well as the Pacific Ocean and Asian markets via the Panama Canal."
I appreciate the links you provided; they tell me everything you need to know. In order to clarify perceptions, I've divided your paragraph into three segments, addressed in order below...
* Why was it necessary to describe the reclassification as deliberate? Could it have been otherwise? What would you have...a random selection using a dart board? Increased commerce up and down the Ohio River system required the cooperative coordination of two states to function as one legal entity, The Port of Cincinnati-Northern Kentucky. In turn, this new port classification has become a new marketing tool for the entire SW Ohio region.
** Sadly to say for Cleveland, your ownlink demonstrates that, even if such a grand scale reclassification were to take place, increased Great Lake tonnage still wouldn't equal that of the Ohio River system - or (most noteworthy) even that of The Port of Cincinnati-Northern Kentucky, which does most of the river system's heavy lifting...
LAKE ERIE SYSTEM.
265miles
40.5 million tons
$3.6 billion value
OHIO RIVER SYSTEM.
451 miles
63 million tons (Cincinnati/NKY 49,930,467 tons) $7.4 billion value
*** Again, thank you because this same link, clarifies which city truly possesses the best international port...however, I'm afraid it's not in Cleveland's favor. By the way, shipping traffic doesn't just ply, haphazardly, up and down the Ohio River. Like the rest of the modern world, they do operate on a schedule.
LAKE ERIE SYSTEM.
"Canada and Europe, Ohio’s two largest trade partners are accessible via the Lake Erie System. Via the Great Lakes and St. Lawrence Seaway, Ohio’s northern ports have direct access to the Atlantic Ocean to the east, Canada’s industrial heartland to the north and Minnesota’s iron ranges to the west."
OHIO RIVER SYSTEM.
"Ohio’s River Terminals also provide access to the Gulf of Mexico, markets in Central and South America, the Atlantic Ocean, as well as the Pacific Ocean and Asian markets via the Panama Canal."
The important point is that you're giving Cincinnati credit for shipments from Kentucky, likely of coal. Where did Cincinnati rank before reporting was reorganized to include OVER 225 miles of the Ohio River and other KENTUCKY rivers? The answer is below and it's laughable in comparison to the tonnage being reported after the statistical re-designation.
Additionally, providing barge access to New Orleans is not the same thing as being an international port.
Look at the port tonnage table below again, and note that Cincinnati/NKY has no foreign traffic -- no imports, no exports!!!
And you want to compare this with Cleveland, which has scheduled service to and from Europe?
BTW, the Cleveland CSA has six Lake Erie ports: Ashtabula, Cleveland, Conneaut, Fairport Harbor, Lorain, and Sandusky listed in the 2016 port statistics. They ALL have foreign traffic, and are sufficiently significant to be listed individually in the waterborne statistics tonnage report, and represent 25 million short tons of waterborne commerce tonnage collectively.
Exactly what ports besides Cincinnati are included in the Cincinnati/NKY reclassified port in order to get to 43 million short tons? It turns out that the Cincinnati/NKY port now includes river docks NOT even in the Cincinnati CSA, such as those in the Ohio counties of Adams and Scioto, and Carroll, Trimble, and Lewis counties in Kentucky. The docks outside of the Cincinnati CSA may be significant freight platforms. Unfortunately, such reclassifications reduce the granularity and perhaps even usefulness of the waterborne statistics report. E.g., we don't have a clue what the tonnage would be for just the Cincinnati CSA.
Cincinnati participated in a statistical reclassification in order to aggrandize its port activity, and you certainly capitalized on it, but don't try to pass Cincinnati off as an international port. That's a joke, especially if you want to rely on the official statistical reports.
Rest assured also that when Cincinnati promoters, including those in C-D forums, promote Cincinnati, they'll never qualify their port statistics as is done in this post!
I went with Pittsburgh. Baltimore is one of those where you know it should be number one but as others stated, there are other cities in the region where Baltimore does not matter so much, particularly Washington DC. Whereas Pittsburgh is more isolated from the other cities in its region; closest city is what, Youngstown?
I also agree with Cincinnati. Interesting city and no slouch by any means but still not as relevant as cities like Cleveland or Columbus. I put Cincinnati above the smaller cities in Ohio (Akron, Dayton, Toledo, Youngstown, Canton etc) and below Cleveland and Columbus.
Increased commerce up and down the Ohio River system required the cooperative coordination of two states to function as one legal entity
I found no indication that any Cincinnati port authority was legally combined with any Northern Kentucky port authority or any other port authority. This reclassification for statistical reporting purposes seems merely an attempt to aggrandize Cincinnati's stature as inland port.
<<The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers has re-designated 226.5 miles of the river boundary stretching from the Louisville area to the Huntington, West Virginia, region. The region's previous statistical river boundary was just 26 miles.
The re-designation is expected to help economic development leaders better market the region to freight and logistics companies looking to move goods and materials throughout the U.S. by river, rail and truck.>>
The statistical re-designation apparently has no legal significance. If this is wrong, please post the link.
E.g., the Port of Greater Cincinnati Development Authority and the Northern Kentucky Port Authority apparently remain as separate entities, based on web searches.
Does the Port of Greater Cincinnati Development Authority, like the Cleveland Port Authority, even operate its own docks? I found no indication that it does so, or even has much, if any, participation in river shipping. Did I miss something? It seems largely a development agency, and was only established in 2000.
The difference between Great Lakes ports and inland ports is the difference between deep water facilities for large freighters and river barge docks. I've never seen barges on Lake Erie, likely because it has too much wave activity.
Although I can appreciate where you're coming from, I'm sticking with what I said. Even on a national level, none of our airports really draw all that much attention in comparison with the really big airports. (for example, think of Charlotte's Douglas International) And how can any of us dare boast about our airport on a global level? Therefore, maybe it would be best that I repackage this issue so you'll comprehend it as I do. Simply relabel it as a all about "apples-vs-oranges" contest, wherein St. Louis wins theapple and Cincinnati wins theORANGE. In the eyes of the nation and the world, which of their two prized fruits becomes the most visible and valuable?
International Destinations:
Baltimore-13
Pittsburgh-11
St. Louis-8
Cincinnati-8
Cleveland-5
Baltimore
Montreal
Toronto
Cancun
Punta Cana
London
Frankfurt
Nassau
San Jose del Cabo
Aruba
Reykjavik
Cozumel
Freeport
Montego Bay
Pittsburgh
Montreal
Toronto
Cancun
Punta Cana
Puerto Plata
Frankfurt
Paris
Reykjavik
Cozumel
Freeport
Montego Bay
Cleveland
Toronto
Punta Cana
Cancun
Reykjavik
Montego bay
St. Louis
Toronto
Cancun
Montego bay
Punta Cana
Huatulco
Puerto Vallarta
Cabo
Reykjavik
Cincinnati
Toronto
Cancun
Punta Cana
Montego bay
Paris
Cozumel
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Reykjavik
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Increased commerce up and down the Ohio River system required the cooperative coordination of two states to function as one legal entity, The Port of Cincinnati-Northern Kentucky. In turn, this new port classification has become a new marketing tool for the entire SW Ohio region.
