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Seriously. And these Cleveland boosters are horrendous. I thought us Chicago boosters were bad, but man Cleveland boosters are terrible. It's one thing to be a booster of a world class or very relevant city. But to be boosting such an irrelevant city is laughable.
Now it makes sense why Lebron is the way he is. Must be the water in the mistake by the lake. But it makes sense I remeber the temper tantrums the city three when Lebron went to Miami. Wah wah from Cleveland is what I saw haha.
You are the reason for the boosters. Cleveland is not as bad as you think. Historically, it's one of the country's original powerhouses, and it's on its way to reclaiming it's greatness. Your "Mistake by the Lake" reference is about 30 years out of date. Sorry we don't roll over and allow you to plaster your stereotypes on us anymore.
By the way, as for this thread, I actually agree that Minneapolis has a much better winter than Cleveland, but their summers were awful when I lived there. I guess I would pick Chicago, because it's sunnier in the winter, and just as nice as Cleveland from SprIng-Fall.
You are the reason for the boosters. Cleveland is not as bad as you think. Historically, it's one of the country's original powerhouses, and it's on its way to reclaiming it's greatness. Your "Mistake by the Lake" reference is about 30 years out of date. Sorry we don't roll over and allow you to plaster your stereotypes on us anymore.
By the way, as for this thread, I actually agree that Minneapolis has a much better winter than Cleveland, but their summers were awful when I lived there. I guess I would pick Chicago, because it's sunnier in the winter, and just as nice as Cleveland from SprIng-Fall.
Naw I have nothing against Cleveland in fact I never posted anything until that other Cleveland Vs. Austin thread exposed the boosterism.
You really think Cleveland is on its way to become a powerhouse?! Delusional. It's a Tier 4 city at best and with it bleeding people out (even Cincy grew) I don't see it ever reaching a top tier. Cleveland is an average city, nothing more nothing less.
Naw I have nothing against Cleveland in fact I never posted anything until that other Cleveland Vs. Austin thread exposed the boosterism.
You really think Cleveland is on its way to become a powerhouse?! Delusional. It's a Tier 4 city at best and with it bleeding people out (even Cincy grew) I don't see it ever reaching a top tier. Cleveland is an average city, nothing more nothing less.
You obviously haven't been paying attention. Oh well, your loss.
Not really. I could care less about Cleveland so no loss for me.
Okay... I can't make you care about it, but if you trash it I'll fire back. I'll also continue to tell people about all the great things we have here, and about the new things happening. I don't think Cleveland will ever be a powerhouse like Chicago or NYC, but we are a better place to live than those powerhouse cities. We have great food, great arts and culture, great parks, a Great Lake, low cost of living, and a pretty good economy. All things considered I can't think of a better place to live in the country.
By the way, the phrase is "I couldn't care less". If you could care less, it means you do care.
I don't think Cleveland will ever be a powerhouse like Chicago or NYC, but we are a better place to live than those powerhouse cities.
By the way, the phrase is "I couldn't care less". If you could care less, it means you do care.
I can appreciate all that Cleveland has to offer - the Lake, the Metroparks, the high cultural institutions, Case Western, the rapid transit system, the Westside Market, the urban districts - but how in the world can you say that Cleveland is a better place to live than NYC and Chicago when it provides FAR less than those places.
There also are micro-climates in some of these cities. E.g., southern Buffalo gets much more snow than northern Buffalo.
Cleveland's "lake effect" snow belt is east of the city. E.g., check out snowfall totals in Chardon, Ohio, versus the official Cleveland numbers. A significant portion of the snow in Cleveland does not accumulate through the winter.
My understanding, based on conversations with friends, is that snowfalls in the Minneapolis area are much more modest than in past decades.
Global warming is a a significant factor. Midwest winters are much warmer, on average, than 30 years ago.
Air boats now are the norm for Lake Erie ice fishers, rather than driving in a pick-up truck over thick ice to an ice shanty. Air boats can cross patches of thin ice and also deal with slush. However, just prior to this warmer past winter, we had two winters of more historically cold winter.
With perhaps the exception of a large snowfall in November, when air/Lake Erie water temperatures can have extreme differentials (think 5 plus feet of snow in southern Buffalo downwind the length of Lake Erie), the Cleveland snow season now typically begins after Christmas and ends in early March, at the latest.
I can appreciate all that Cleveland has to offer - the Lake, the Metroparks, the high cultural institutions, Case Western, the rapid transit system, the Westside Market, the urban districts - but how in the world can you say that Cleveland is a better place to live than NYC and Chicago when it provides FAR less than those places.
Within a couple hours of Cleveland are some of the best rural areas in the U.S., including the largest Amish community.
The cost of living is significantly less than in Chicago and especially NYC.
Weather differences between Midwest cities pale against other considerations IMO.
E.g., Chicago, and Illinois, face a massive financial mess that does not exist in Cleveland and Ohio. Chicago and Illinois have massively leveraged their future. Have you seen any of the ads on CNBC labeling Chicago as the next Puerto Rico?
<<On the mainland, the effects of the crisis are still largely isolated to the bond market, which doesn’t show widespread signs of stress. The Investment Company Institute says investors poured $3.5 billion into muni bonds during the first two weeks of May. There are signs, however, that investors are steering clear of known trouble spots, such as Chicago’s school district.>>
This Bloomberg article says Chicago is in worse fiscal shape than Detroit. Persons considering Chicago to plant a future must consider whether a service collapse and/or much higher taxes is imminent.
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