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As overall entities, the bay area and DC both are probabl slightly ahead of Chicago. However, Chicago is more dominant over its region than SF and DC are. The vast majoriy of Chicago's CSA feels iike Chicago. The same cant be said of the other areas. People on the fringe areas identify with Chicago. If youre from Baltimore, you dont say youre from DC. And Im not refering to DC proper, im talking about the entire area that feels like DC. i know the suburbs are connected, but at some point you start feeling like youre in Baltimore the further you get away from DC. DC and SF (the areas that feel like SF and DC, NOT city propers) get propped up by csa. Chicago as a whole feels more vast and powerful and looks like it too. Chicago's numbered city grid stretches to the far south suburbs to the end of Cook county.
I mostly agree with you, but Chicago doesn't really have a CSA, it's virtually all within the MSA. The CSA adds Michigan City, IN and some podunk town south of Chicagoland.
Chicago MSA: 9.7M
Chicago CSA: 9.9M
This to me is a major factor comparing Chicagoland to SF/SJ and DC/Balt.
No, CSAs are not subject to congressional approval. They are designated when the commuter threshold of 15% is acheived between 2 MSAs.
15-24.9% of the workers of one MSA work in another MSA.
If it reaches 25% or greater, they combine into a single MSA.
In some cases, even if a metro meets a certain commuting threshold, it still won't become part of the larger metro, as is the case with Trenton, NJ. Trenton, for all intents and purposes, is part of the Philly MSA, but it's not considered part of the Philly MSA. However, it is part of the NYC CSA, but since it's considered a legacy metro it's remains its own MSA.
In some cases, even if a metro meets a certain commuting threshold, it still won't become part of the larger metro, as is the case with Trenton, NJ. Trenton, for all intents and purposes, is part of the Philly MSA, but it's not considered part of the Philly MSA. However, it is part of the NYC CSA, but since it's considered a legacy metro it's remains its own MSA.
For all intents and purposes? Thats just not how it works.
Trenton sends more workers to the NY MSA( over 15%) than to the Philadelphia MSA( under 15%)
There is no such thing as a 'legacy metro'. Trenton is a strong enough job market on it's own that it's not combined into another MSA. If 25% or more of Trenton's workers commuted to NY it would be part of the NY MSA.
How would you order cities #3-5 in the United States: Chicago, the San Francisco Bay Area, and Washington DC-Baltimore?
- Size
- Importance
- Influence
- Power
- Global profile (brand awareness)
- Immigration
- Politics
Seems like these criteria are tailor made for DC to come out on top. It obviously loses on size (Chicago) and immigration (SF) and comes out no worse than second on global profile (SF), but it wins pretty decisively in the remaining categories, I think. DC has an inherent advantage that no other city in America enjoys other than NYC.
Not true. Chicago and Milwaukee are nowhere close to becoming a CSA. The CSA business rules are quite strict, and you need heavy commuting patterns.
And it doesn't even make any sense. Milwaukee and Chicago aren't particularly close to one another, and the main factors leading to supercommuting (particularly extreme housing costs) aren't present in that part of the country.
Amtrak currently runs commuter trains between Chicago and Milwaukee. It's less than an hour from Glenview to Milwaukee. Additionally, southeastern WI is served by Metra. When I worked up north there were quite a few people who lived in SE WI and took the train to northern Cook/southern Lake Counties. It's not at all unfeasible that it happens.
No, there is no 'gerrymandering' in the process. What are you talking about?
If an MSA since 15% of its people to two different MSAs, it only gets attached to one CSA. If an MSA since 15% of its people to two different MSAs, it only gets attached to one CSA with you. A lot of times, it could go either way.
If an MSA since 15% of its people to two different MSAs, it only gets attached to one CSA. If an MSA since 15% of its people to two different MSAs, it only gets attached to one CSA with you. A lot of times, it could go either way.
For all intents and purposes? Thats just not how it works.
Trenton sends more workers to the NY MSA( over 15%) than to the Philadelphia MSA( under 15%)
There is no such thing as a 'legacy metro'. Trenton is a strong enough job market on it's own that it's not combined into another MSA. If 25% or more of Trenton's workers commuted to NY it would be part of the NY MSA.
That's exactly how it works. Yes intents and purpose (culturally, linguistically, Transportation, and Media Market). Actually, Trenton was part of the Philly MSA until it was switched over to the NYC CSA.
That's exactly how it works. Yes intents and purpose (culturally, linguistically, Transportation, and Media Market). Actually, Trenton was part of the Philly MSA until it was switched over to the NYC CSA.
Ive already had this discussion ad nauseum with the Philly people. Trenton became part of the NY CSA because it met the commuting criteria.
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