How would you order cities #3-5 in the United States?: Chicago, the San Francisco Bay Area, and Washington DC-Baltimore (difference, downtown)
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Ive already had this discussion ad nauseum with the Philly people. Trenton became part of the NY CSA because it met the commuting criteria.
Good info. I wonder why it was originally part of the Philly MSA then. Unless it wasn't just about commuting at the time that it was placed as being part of Philly.
Not true. Plenty of people will say this. In fact most people will say this.
If I'm from the Bay Area, and traveling abroad, I'm very likely to say I'm from the SF area. If I'm from Stamford, CT, and traveling abroad, I'm very likely to say I'm from the NYC area.
Baltimore, probably no, but that's because people have generally heard of Baltimore. But if people are still clueless, the Baltimore resident will probably say "near DC".
DC and Bmore don't have the relationship you are saying they have...Bmore is an extremely well defined MSA in its own right...Baltimore people are not saying they are from DC area and vice versa....folks from the overlapping suburbs would just say Maryland...this is a unique CSA that we have over here...its a preview of what will be an even worse situation some years from now when NYC and Philly finally join
As for the OP, Chicago then the Bay then DMV-Bmore...we are not cohesive enough as a CSA yet to compete with the Bay and Chicago is just in the beginning stages of its relative decline
NYC would blow any American city not LA out of the water if it were closer to them just the same. NYC metro economy is 4x as large as Philly so you should expect it to be a major draw from there.
It is ahead of Los Angeles by quite a bit too, economically speaking. Lets just call it like it is.
When you can add Los Angeles and Chicago together as metropolitan economies and New York is still larger than that, I'd say that it speaks for itself with regard to how large the gap is, in my opinion.
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DC and Bmore don't have the relationship you are saying they have...Bmore is an extremely well defined MSA in its own right...Baltimore people are not saying they are from DC area and vice versa....folks from the overlapping suburbs would just say Maryland...this is a unique CSA that we have over here...its a preview of what will be an even worse situation some years from now when NYC and Philly finally join
As for the OP, Chicago then the Bay then DMV-Bmore...we are not cohesive enough as a CSA yet to compete with the Bay and Chicago is just in the beginning stages of its relative decline
Based on what? Illinois' GDP has grown robustly over the last year. In fact, it's growth was beaten only by three other states. Illinois' has financial problems, but so do many other places in the U.S. Even with the impending tax hikes, Illinois is still more affordable than the coasts. Things are by no means perfect in Illinois, but they aren't in decline. Not sure why so many are pushing this narrative.
Can there be a rule where all posts making dramatic claims are required to post all their sources? 18Montclair is what we should all strive to be.
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Based on what? Illinois' GDP has grown robustly over the last year. In fact, it's growth was beaten only by three other states. Illinois' has financial problems, but so do many other places in the U.S. Even with the impending tax hikes, Illinois is still more affordable than the coasts. Things are by no means perfect in Illinois, but they aren't in decline. Not sure why so many are pushing this narrative.
Can there be a rule where all posts making dramatic claims are required to post all their sources? 18Montclair is what we should all strive to be.
Based on what? Illinois' GDP has grown robustly over the last year. In fact, it's growth was beaten only by three other states. Illinois' has financial problems, but so do many other places in the U.S. Even with the impending tax hikes, Illinois is still more affordable than the coasts. Things are by no means perfect in Illinois, but they aren't in decline. Not sure why so many are pushing this narrative.
Can there be a rule where all posts making dramatic claims are required to post all their sources? 18Montclair is what we should all strive to be.
Population loss
Relatively slow growth compared to the other big CSAs
You seem put out by the word decline...its actually funny because I ranked Chicago ahead of the Bay and DC-Baltimore...at any rate, let me rephrase...DC-Baltimore and the Bay Area CSAs are growing faster but have not yet eclipsed the much slower growing Chicago CSA so I cannot rank them above Chicagoland just yet...better?
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Lol, what can I say? The man consistently provides us with sources!
Yea, I'll give him/you that. His arguments, as absurdly focused on specific measures of prosperity/the Bay as they can be (or have been--haven't really seen that side from him much anymore), are always well sourced and linked. Better than a lot of "dramatic claims" posters who don't back up their talk with anything, just argumentative circles that are not as open-and-shut as they would want you to believe.
Anyways, I think a lot of this talk about core city and CSA cohesion is valid, as that is Chicago's unquestionable advantage over the other two. For all the talk of varying degrees of cohesion in the Bay and Balt-Wash, they're still spreading the love around more than Chicago is. I think "concentration" of power, which is where a lot of the MSA/CSA/Urban Area debate lies, is just as an important a consideration as population, TPI, and GDP. Intensity beats extensity, and there's a lot to be said for being without competition in your own metro.
Population loss
Relatively slow growth compared to the other big CSAs
You seem put out by the word decline...its actually funny because I ranked Chicago ahead of the Bay and DC-Baltimore...at any rate, let me rephrase...DC-Baltimore and the Bay Area CSAs are growing faster but have not yet eclipsed the much slower growing Chicago CSA so I cannot rank them above Chicagoland just yet...better?
Better? Yes. I don't fully agree with you, but neither of us has a crystal ball. IL has barely got over the 0% mark for population growth a couple of times now (and has even seen population loss) only to add over 1 million the following decade. I think we'll likely hold at #3, but dropping to #4 isn't impossible, obviously.
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