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View Poll Results: Cities With the Highest Quality of Life in North America
New York CIty 6 4.69%
Toronto 11 8.59%
San Francisco 5 3.91%
Boston 14 10.94%
Chicago 20 15.63%
Montreal 9 7.03%
Vancouver 28 21.88%
Seattle 22 17.19%
Philadelphia 8 6.25%
Houston 5 3.91%
Voters: 128. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-10-2017, 12:37 PM
 
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I live in Seattle but voted for Vancouver. Guess I broke the tie.

Healthcare and urban form, plus an edge in scenery, transit, and international feel were my reasons.
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Old 12-10-2017, 12:55 PM
 
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Definitely the language barrier is a large one. There are simply far fewer people who have any degree of fluency in French than there is in English. For us that can speak French (and aren’t as intimidated by the cold), Montreal is an extremely attractive city. Not necessarily for any particular romanticism, but for simply being a good, sizable urban city with the jobs, walkability, and infrastructure that are good in comparison to most North American cities and a cost of living that is quite good among such peer cities.
I don't speak any French, and never had any trouble during the brief stint I lived in Montreal a decade ago. Most French Canadians, and almost all immigrants, could speak English in Montreal from Plateau to all points west (basically most of the nice neighborhoods on the island. The only time I had an issue was trying to buy batteries at a gas station in a smaller town between Montreal and Quebec City.
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Old 12-10-2017, 01:16 PM
 
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It is not a nightmare I agree but if Montreal was so plug and play for English only speakers they would not continue to move away more than they move in. Often citing language reasons.
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Old 12-10-2017, 02:30 PM
 
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I'm really really surprised at the love Montreal and Vancouver seem to get as compared to Toronto.

Toronto is just an incredible town. Much like Chicago, but without some of the cons. It seems like it can be an afterthought on this forum.
But Toronto is basically a second rate Chicago with significantly inferior architecture and with an improving, but still significantly inferior waterfront.

People make way too big of a deal about the crime in Chicago, you are more likely to get killed in an auto accident in either of these cities than shot in Chicago.

Montreal is unique enough that it isn't a second rate anything.

I'm not saying Toronto doesn't have a high quality of life, and it probably is underrated by Americans, but I personally liked Montreal and QBC so much better it isn't even funny. I've never been to Vancouver, but I love Seattle and grew up in the NW so I would probably also like it more than Toronto.
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Old 12-10-2017, 02:44 PM
 
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Architecture only has a secondary importance for quality of life.

It is certainly less important than quality of public services like schools - and on this Toronto clearly tops Chicago.
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Old 12-10-2017, 02:54 PM
 
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Architecture only has a secondary importance for quality of life.

It is certainly less important than quality of public services like schools - and on this Toronto clearly tops Chicago.
Sure, but that only matters if I both had kids and planned on sending them to public schools neither of which applies to me.

Chicago's superior public space in the form of lakeside parks is a quality of life thing tho.
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Old 12-10-2017, 03:09 PM
 
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Sure, but that only matters if I both had kids and planned on sending them to public schools neither of which applies to me.

Chicago's superior public space in the form of lakeside parks is a quality of life thing tho.
Toronto has over 2x more park land per capita than Chicago. It also has the Toronto islands which Chicago has no competition for.
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Old 12-10-2017, 03:30 PM
 
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It is not a nightmare I agree but if Montreal was so plug and play for English only speakers they would not continue to move away more than they move in. Often citing language reasons.
The only language issue I've heard of is forcing English Speaking kids in to French schools. The bigger reason English speakers leave more than they move in is that Montreal has lagged the rest of Canada in growth and economic opportunities for 50 years. If you're fluent in English, you can get a job anywhere else in Canada that you want, plus get a higher salary and pay lower taxes. If your English isn't great and you only speak French, those same opportunities aren't available, so you stay put.
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Old 12-10-2017, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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The only language issue I've heard of is forcing English Speaking kids in to French schools. The bigger reason English speakers leave more than they move in is that Montreal has lagged the rest of Canada in growth and economic opportunities for 50 years. If you're fluent in English, you can get a job anywhere else in Canada that you want, plus get a higher salary and pay lower taxes. If your English isn't great and you only speak French, those same opportunities aren't available, so you stay put.
The school issue is a non sequitur for native anglo Montrealers as their rights to free English schools from k-phd are grandfathered. That is not the reason.
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Old 12-10-2017, 03:51 PM
 
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Sure, but that only matters if I both had kids and planned on sending them to public schools neither of which applies to me.

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Schools do matter to most people as about 85 pc of us will have some form of parental relationship with a child in our lifetimes.
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