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Every city is both unique and similar. My daughter took a trip to Pittsburgh once, called us from her hotel late one evening. She and her DH were staying downtown. She told us it looked like Denver. My husband (not from there) did say "wait till she wakes up and sees those cliffs". But yeah, downtowns all look fairly similar. Minneapolis is unique/average, too.
For your list, what about Chicago, on the shore of that huge lake?
Yikes, I hope your daughter had a great visit to Pittsburgh, but it looks nothing like Denver! I guess if you are looking from a hotel mid rise in downtown, it is going to look similar to many downtowns in the USA. But that does not speak to Pittsburgh's distinct aesthetic as a city. And yes, every city is unique, but not every city is distinct.
All of the legacy cities have strong institutions that took root between the Civil War and WWII. That is why cities like Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Baltimore and Detroit have phenomenal art museums, orchestras etc. relative to their size compared to larger and more prosperous sunbelt cities.
I think because Minneapolis doesn't have row houses and never had a lot of heavy industry, people forget that it is also a legacy city. Minneapolis' rise to its relative position among American cities was in the 1890s, a decade or two before Detroit's. It also has the strong institutions that go with that.
If you are not going to address my points, what is the point in replying to me specifically? That you heard "people saying about Pittsburgh, that no other city had public benefactors that donated money for museums..." is not relevant in a response to me, because I did not say that. I said Pittsburgh has exceptional cultural institutions for a city its size, and I stand by that. You are not refuting this claim so I will assume we are moving on.
I could pick Buffalo because it is the third closest in size to Pittsburgh in the 1950s. We were talking about peer cities at Pittsburgh's peak population, if you do remember. That would be the third closest peer. But I didn't, and chose its fourth closest peer instead, a larger city, for good measure.
Which points would you like me to address?
Why do you want to talk about Pittsburgh in 1950, 70 years ago now?
We've discussed this issue of Pittsburgh's size. It got a lot of those amenities because it once was a much bigger city. Even so, it was common in most cities for philanthropists to donate money for cultural institutions, something many Pittsburghers don't seem to understand.
Why do you want to talk about Pittsburgh in 1950, 70 years ago now?
We've discussed this issue of Pittsburgh's size. It got a lot of those amenities because it once was a much bigger city. Even so, it was common in most cities for philanthropists to donate money for cultural institutions, something many Pittsburghers don't seem to understand.
The points in my post, of course! Well, I don't care if we keep talking about Pittsburgh in the 1950s. It was you who bolded the sentence in my initial response (hence my "nitpicking" characterization) about Pittsburgh in its peak population. I have simply been engaging in a conversation with you after you replied to me.
Yes, it got those amenities because of its size, the success of the steel industry, and Carnegie's subsequent philanthropy. It is common, but not on the scale of which Pittsburgh achieved. I don't know for sure, but I think plenty of Yinzers could understand that other cities have cultural institutions. Seems like pretty common knowledge to me. I think they are just proud of the scale of their institutional offerings, of which I dock them nothing.
Every city is both unique and similar. My daughter took a trip to Pittsburgh once, called us from her hotel late one evening. She and her DH were staying downtown. She told us it looked like Denver. My husband (not from there) did say "wait till she wakes up and sees those cliffs". But yeah, downtowns all look fairly similar. Minneapolis is unique/average, too.
For your list, what about Chicago, on the shore of that huge lake?
I'd put Chicago pretty high on the list of un-average, just because of its size and history. maybe I'd put it in a tie with Miami and Philly, but those two have a more distinct unusual culture to me. the lake location is nice but not that untypical to be on a large body of water.
I'd put Chicago pretty high on the list of un-average, just because of its size and history. maybe I'd put it in a tie with Miami and Philly, but those two have a more distinct unusual culture to me. the lake location is nice but not that untypical to be on a large body of water.
Fair enough, though L. Michigan is h-u-g-e and it is a big part of Chicago's identity. It's way bigger than L. Erie for ex. I don't know about the lakes' (two of them) influence on Detroit.
I think this is the your 100th time stating that people in Mpls think they're the best at everything. Who were you around?
Honestly, I came home from my first visit to my daughter there saying "How do they stand themselves, they're so perfect?" Mostly this is from family/extended family.
I think I like Pittsburgh's setting and historic homes more, but Minneapolis with St. Paul is the much larger city and metropolitan area so I'd suspect there's more to do.
I think I like Pittsburgh's setting and historic homes more, but Minneapolis with St. Paul is the much larger city and metropolitan area so I'd suspect there's more to do.
Does Pittsburgh have an answer to St. Paul's summit hill neighborhood?
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Well, I don't care if we keep talking about Pittsburgh in the 1950s. It was you who bolded the sentence in my initial response (hence my "nitpicking" characterization) about Pittsburgh in its peak population. I have simply been engaging in a conversation with you after you replied to me.
