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Originally Posted by Enean
Because someone doesn't agree with you, THEY"RE wrong? You lose validity here. Baltimore and DC don't match the Chicago MSA. CSA, as you know, doesn't really count for anything. And, even if it did.....what does it matter?
Baltimore MSA - 2,808,175 (3.6% growth rate since 2010)
Washington MSA- 6,216,589 (10.3% growth rate since 2010)
Total- Baltimore MSA + DC MSA=9,024,764 in 2017
Chicago MSA- 9,533,040 in 2017 (0.76% growth rate since 2010)
No they don't. Yet. But somewhere around 2023, they will "match" Chicago's MSA population. Not that it matters, but the CSA will be long past it by then. Remember we're just talking numbers here. In fact the Chicago MSA is actually losing population the last few years, which is one of the points of the article.
I get that the two metro's will always want to identify as separate, but this a huge understatement. Downtown Baltimore to DC is 38 miles, and 45 mins going the speed limit with no traffic.
The DC beltway to the Baltimore beltway is 20 miles apart and a 20 min drive, with no suburban gaps to be filled in between that aren't designated agricultural sites or the airport.
Chicago to Milwaukee is 92 miles city to city. There's no comparison.
Suburbs count, and they meet. Downtown to downtown is 90 miles....I can go from downtown Milwaukee to downtown Chicago, and not pass through any country, if I go along the lake. It's pretty much continuous, depending which route you take. AND, with Foxconn building in the lower Milwaukee suburbs, that might be what it takes, to turn the two MSAs into a CSA.
I get that the two metro's will always want to identify as separate, but this a huge understatement. Downtown Baltimore to DC is 38 miles, and 45 mins going the speed limit with no traffic.
The DC beltway to the Baltimore beltway is 20 miles apart and a 20 min drive, with no suburban gaps to be filled in between that aren't designated agricultural sites or the airport.
Chicago to Milwaukee is 92 miles city to city. There's no comparison.
As a Maryland resident, I'm well aware of how close DC/B'more are, and how quickly you can theoretically get from one to the other on a hypothetical day that doesn't exists in which there isn't any traffic. However, as you pointed out, CSA is about multiple metros together, not city centers. MKE and CHI CSAs are directly adjacent (MSAs only have one hold-out county), and if you wanted to do an equivalent (or as best as you could) of a MKE "beltway" (I-43) to CHI "beltway" (I-294), these two are only ~20-30 miles further apart than the DC-B'more Beltways. As I said, with DC and B'more slightly closer together, they form a more cohesive suburban/exurban unit, but MKE-CHI are strongly linked, not much further apart, and also connected via a number of transit options. I disagree to say "there's no comparison," and I still stand by my former (and more important) point:
Chicago is bigger than DC, which are both bigger than Baltimore, and most Americans recognize it.
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As a Maryland resident, I'm well aware of how close DC/B'more are, and how quickly you can theoretically get from one to the other on a hypothetical day that doesn't exists in which there isn't any traffic. However, as you pointed out, CSA is about multiple metros together, not city centers. MKE and CHI CSAs are directly adjacent (MSAs only have one hold-out county), and if you wanted to do an equivalent (or as best as you could) of a MKE "beltway" (I-43) to CHI "beltway" (I-294), these two are only ~20-30 miles further apart than the DC-B'more Beltways. As I said, with DC and B'more slightly closer together, they form a more cohesive suburban/exurban unit, but MKE-CHI are strongly linked, not much further apart, and also connected via a number of transit options. I disagree to say "there's no comparison," and I still stand by my former (and more important) point:
Chicago is bigger than DC, which are both bigger than Baltimore, and most Americans recognize it.
As do I recognize that, but again for the sake of measuring a CSA I stand on what was stated. Also and again I do NOT think DC-Baltimore- NOVA is only "slightly" more cohesive. I think it is pretty significantly more cohesive than Chicago and Milwaukee, even if they have some urban strip connecting them.
The gap in level cohesion from Chicago-Milwaukee compared to DC-Bmore is equivalent the gap in cohesion level of DC-Baltimore vs the SF Bay area. Each comparison is another level. I think all of these should be graded differently.
South Florida Miami metro is another example of what you see in Chicago-MKE. The strip of land with buildings in between stretches for 200+miles! Port St Lucie and Vero Beach are almost central FL, they can't even get Miami television there. But it's more urbanized in between due to land constraints.
Looking at this objectively, Chicago-MKE may become one CSA in our lifetimes, but again I see it being extremely different.
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As do I recognize that, but again for the sake of measuring a CSA I stand on what was stated. Also and again I do NOT think DC-Baltimore- NOVA is only "slightly" more cohesive. I think it is pretty significantly more cohesive than Chicago and Milwaukee, even if they have some urban strip connecting them.
The gap in level cohesion from Chicago-Milwaukee compared to DC-Bmore is equivalent the gap in cohesion level of DC-Baltimore vs the SF Bay area. Each comparison is another level. I think all of these should be graded differently.
South Florida Miami metro is another example of what you see in Chicago-MKE. The strip of land with buildings in between stretches for 200+miles! Port St Lucie and Vero Beach are almost central FL, they can't even get Miami television there. But it's more urbanized in between due to land constraints.
Looking at this objectively, Chicago-MKE may become one CSA in our lifetimes, but again I see it being extremely different.
They aren't buildings, they're suburbs.
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