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View Poll Results: Milwaukee vs Louisville
Milwaukee 55 70.51%
Louisville 23 29.49%
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Old 08-04-2019, 08:41 PM
 
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Now we have people really trying to show that a stagnant growth metro (milwaukee at 1.3%) is growing like a moderate growth metro (Louisville at 5%).

CD never ceases to amaze me!
And apparently moderate growth metros can also be classified as boomtowns....if a ranking calls them that, that is.

 
Old 08-04-2019, 08:42 PM
 
Location: Louisville
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Come on man. You know Dayton is STAGNANT. You know better sir. To use it as an example here is way out in left field.
Way out of left field? Dayton is the Q2 leader on a metric you used to boost Louisville for Q1. Perhaps you missed that in the link, it was not behind the paywall. Though you make my point, Dayton is stagnant, yet it can show up as a leader in the same metric Louisville does. That doesn't seem like an elite point to highlight when taken into context.
 
Old 08-04-2019, 08:43 PM
 
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Come on man. You know Dayton is STAGNANT. You know better sir. To use it as an example here is way out in left field.

I am not claiming Milwaukee is stagnant. But it simply isn't growing nearly like Louisville, and I think all signs are in the 2020's Louisivlle will pull away.

Louisville's run up in the last couple years is nothing short of impressive.

Let's look at GMP growth percentage....Milwaukee's percentage is flat compared to Louisville:

http://www.usmayors.org/wp-content/u...ept-2017-1.pdf

(see page 3)
Louisville already has catching up to do, to get to Milwaukee's level. When that happens, then we can talk. There is no guarantee, that Milwaukee will remain "flat", compared to Louisville. I'd be very surprised if that would happen. SO, like I said, when Louisville gets to Milwaukee's level, a fair comparison can be made. Until that happens, nothing is certain, and you don't own bragging rights.
 
Old 08-04-2019, 08:47 PM
 
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Way out of left field? Dayton is the Q2 leader on a metric you used to boost Louisville for Q1. Perhaps you missed that in the link, it was not behind the paywall. Though you make my point, Dayton is stagnant, yet it can show up as a leader in the same metric Louisville does. That doesn't seem like an elite point to highlight when taken into context.
I saw Dayton on that Q2 list....but Milwaukee was NOT. I don't believe its there until I see the whole study. Regardless, its a statistical fact Louisville has more hotels under construction than Milwaukee. Don't make me bust out a list.

Louisivlle bests Milwaukee substantially in every single growth metric possible from city, MSA, CSA, GDP growth, etc. There are under 300k difference in MSA population and people are literally getting away with saying this is no comparison, that Louisville is a "small town" . It's laughable! I bet not a single one of you know Louisville has a pro soccer stadium and world class botanical garden under construction. You don't know about a new skyline that will rise to face the city from Indiana in the next few years.

I am going to laugh when I revisit this thread in 2025.
 
Old 08-04-2019, 08:56 PM
 
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I realize Milwaukee has Summerfest. Louisville has also had Forecastle for years. Both are massive events. But check this article about Louisville's TRIFESTA....there consecutive weekends with hundreds of bands coming to the city...the promoter explains it better than me

"PUSHING FORWARD
Wimmer plans to operate a satellite office in Louisville for the next two years before deciding if he should move the company's headquarters here from LA.

You may like: All the restaurants that have opened - and are still to come - in 2018

He's purchasing a home where he'll spend the summer with his family, and many members of his team have voluntarily agreed to join him.

"We're really considering moving here," Wimmer said. "This is a city that's embraced our company and there's just a lot of opportunity.

"LA has been great to me, but as we're growing the company, what's important is quality of life for my employees. Everybody that works at DWP can afford a house in Louisville."

Wimmer said he's impressed by the growth Louisville has experienced in recent years. In 10 years, he says, the city will be unrecognizable.

Wimmer wants to contribute to that growth by expanding his festivals and starting a spirits conference that would run on the week days between them. His vision is to create a weeks-long event series that compares to South by Southwest — a two-week conglomerate of film, interactive media and music festivals and conferences that take place every year in Austin.

Bourbon writer Fred Minnick, who consults on Bourbon & Beyond, said the eventual conference could benefit both Louisville and the spirits industry.

"Having been in this business for more than a decade, I can tell you the spirits industry has long needed someone like Danny Wimmer to come in and get it out of its old thinking."

Seviche chef Anthony Lamas has become friends with Wimmer, who frequents his Highlands restaurant, and said he hopes the promoter does help the city evolve.

Lamas moved to Louisville from California, as well, and said he's watched the city change and grow.

"It's still a very hip, cool city that has a small town feel. That's one of the things that turned me on," Lamas said. "But I've watched it progress and I guess it needs to, to keep pushing forward."


The three Sept. festivals:

https://bourbonandbeyond.com/
https://hometownrising.com/
https://louderthanlifefestival.com/
 
Old 08-04-2019, 09:00 PM
 
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I realize Milwaukee has Summerfest. Louisville has also had Forecastle for years. Both are massive events. But check this article about Louisville's TRIFESTA....there consecutive weekends with hundreds of bands coming to the city...the promoter explains it better than me

"PUSHING FORWARD
Wimmer plans to operate a satellite office in Louisville for the next two years before deciding if he should move the company's headquarters here from LA.

You may like: All the restaurants that have opened - and are still to come - in 2018

He's purchasing a home where he'll spend the summer with his family, and many members of his team have voluntarily agreed to join him.

"We're really considering moving here," Wimmer said. "This is a city that's embraced our company and there's just a lot of opportunity.

"LA has been great to me, but as we're growing the company, what's important is quality of life for my employees. Everybody that works at DWP can afford a house in Louisville."

Wimmer said he's impressed by the growth Louisville has experienced in recent years. In 10 years, he says, the city will be unrecognizable.

Wimmer wants to contribute to that growth by expanding his festivals and starting a spirits conference that would run on the week days between them. His vision is to create a weeks-long event series that compares to South by Southwest — a two-week conglomerate of film, interactive media and music festivals and conferences that take place every year in Austin.

Bourbon writer Fred Minnick, who consults on Bourbon & Beyond, said the eventual conference could benefit both Louisville and the spirits industry.

"Having been in this business for more than a decade, I can tell you the spirits industry has long needed someone like Danny Wimmer to come in and get it out of its old thinking."

Seviche chef Anthony Lamas has become friends with Wimmer, who frequents his Highlands restaurant, and said he hopes the promoter does help the city evolve.

Lamas moved to Louisville from California, as well, and said he's watched the city change and grow.

"It's still a very hip, cool city that has a small town feel. That's one of the things that turned me on," Lamas said. "But I've watched it progress and I guess it needs to, to keep pushing forward."


The three Spet festivals:

https://bourbonandbeyond.com/
https://hometownrising.com/
https://louderthanlifefestival.com/
Summerfest draws between 750,000 and a million. Not sure how many yours draw. For everything else you have posted, good for Louisville. Do you think Louisville is alone, though, in moving forward, with new and different ventures? Milwaukee has many things going on, many, many.
 
Old 08-04-2019, 09:07 PM
 
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Every city is moving forward. Milwaukee, by statistical metrics, is not moving forward as fast as Louisville. The rest is just opinions.

I would venture to say Louisville has more/higher turn out festivals than Milwaukee. You say Summerfest turns out a million but ONE NIGHT for KY Derby Festival has a turn out of almost a million, Thunder Over Louisville. Milwaukee hosts nothing with the tourism draw that that the KY derby brings in over two weeks.

That's why just this week alone another two hotels were announced near Churchill downs.
https://www.courier-journal.com/stor...ky/1876543001/

https://www.wave3.com/2019/08/01/chu...enue-track-by/

Overall as tourism cities,Milwaukee and Louisville are pretty close but Louisville's star is growing exponentially due to bourbon and being in the southeast by a technicality.

This is just an example that in the last week, two hotels announced for Louisville, one of which will have a casino like facility (best they can do with KY state laws that hold them back)

The development pace in Louisville is dizzying. Milwaukee is doing GREAT! Relax guys. But these are very much comparable cities and I still contend Milwaukee is not growing nearly like Louisville. It's evident in every fact.
 
Old 08-04-2019, 09:09 PM
 
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Every city is moving forward. Milwaukee, by statistical metrics, is not moving forward as fast as Louisville. The rest is just opinions.

I would venture to say Louisville has more/higher turn out festivals than Milwaukee. You say Summerfest turns out a million but ONE NIGHT for KY Derby Festival has a turn out of almost a million, Thunder Over Louisville. Milwaukee hosts nothing with the tourism draw that that the KY derby brings in over two weeks.

That's why just this week alone another two hotels were announced near Churchill downs.
https://www.courier-journal.com/stor...ky/1876543001/

https://www.wave3.com/2019/08/01/chu...enue-track-by/

Overall as tourism cities,Milwaukee and Louisville are pretty close but Louisville's star is growing exponentially due to bourbon and being in the southeast by a technicality.

This is just an example that in the last week, two hotels announced for Louisville, one of which will have a casino like facility (best they can do with KY state laws that hold them back)

The development pace in Louisville is dizzying. Milwaukee is doing GREAT! Relax guys. But these are very much comparable cities and I still contend Milwaukee is not growing nearly like Louisville. It's evident in every fact.
https://www.lboro.ac.uk/gawc/world2018t.html

I could be missing it, but I don't see Louisville on this list. Like I said, I could be missing it, though.
 
Old 08-04-2019, 09:36 PM
 
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https://www.lboro.ac.uk/gawc/world2018t.html

I could be missing it, but I don't see Louisville on this list. Like I said, I could be missing it, though.
What, because a third grader didn't include it in that "study?" Lol that list means relatively nothing.

At the end of the day, we are talking two midsized cities very comparable in almost every way in the 1-2 million range. One is growing alot faster than the other and that should continue.
 
Old 08-04-2019, 09:38 PM
 
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What, because a third grader didn't include it in that "study?" Lol that list means relatively nothing.

At the end of the day, we are talking two midsized cities very comparable in almost every way in the 1-2 million range. One is growing alot faster than the other and that should continue.
Third grader? Now, you're getting desperate. Clearly, you know nothing about this list, nor did you read anything about the minds behind it. Here's your list of "third" graders.

https://www.lboro.ac.uk/gawc/contributors.html
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