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You didn't disprove my point, which is actually stated in the links provided. But I wasn't the person who first brought up Nashville. Yet, you compared Louisville to a boomtown. I happen to know the data for Nashville. So that was my point of reference. The PWC numbers used by the CBRE report back them up. Let's see if your claim about Louisville carries over to the current year. And Peter, you do have a reputation on this CD board for inflating 'stats'.
All the AirBnB numbers say is that Louisville has one huge event in May and not enough hotels to accommodate them that week. You said yourself, Derby draws about 7X that number. In fact the three times I've been to Derby I stayed at a house; first college classmate of my girlfriend; second was with a friend of mine who lived in Louisville at the time (I married his sister); then a house that was rented by two business associates who live in Nashville and Cincy. That was before AirBnB existed.
Not THIS again. It is NOT a one horse town (Derby). Louisville has massive tourism draws EVERY month except winter. Derby itself is one day that draws 170k....but Derby FESTIVAL is two weeks and draws MILLIONS. Thunder Over Louisville is one event in a two week festival which draws 3/4 million.
Derby is NOT the reason Louisville is high in Airbnb. I was in downtown Louisville last night and main and fourth street were PACKED with dense crowds of tourists. Its a real tourism draw and the data backs it up. Milwaukee and Louisville are actually known as good tourism draws.
Show me where I inflated stats? However, in this very thread we have a moderator who misrepresented stats...saying for example the development I posted was for 5.5 years when it was for three. Also stating that the development included "every little development" when 90% listed were over 3 Million a pop. Don't get me started on how many 100k shotguns are being developed in Louisville and not reported in any of these stats...that is what I mean by knowing and driving a city street by street....Louisville's Germantown and Shelby Park neighborhoods, as examples, have a renovation going on on almost every block! Each investment in the flips are usually under 100k so it won't really show up anywhere but its making an awesome city. Louisville has very few vacant lots in good neighborhoods (Louisville doesn't allow tear downs except in the rarest cases) but even all those lots now have new urban infill.
Opening I think pushed back a few weeks due to construction delays.
This is very much as good or better than similar places in any major city. In my opinion it will be an updated version of Milwaukee Public Market. Maybe not better, but a bit more contemporary....think indoor urban food trucks...a food market meets food hall.
I am just not seeing much Milwaukee has that Louisville doesn't unless you are hellbent on NBA basketball.
These are two cities that I haven’t been to and, after having been to several “bucket list” cities the last few years are now near the top of that relatively short remaining domestic list. Other than lurking here on the forums for both and dipping my toe into them by way of the internet I am certain I still know too little about each of them. But I’ve heard great things about each as well as intrinsic problems and issues as well.
My short simplistic perceptions of them are: Milwaukee is a much smaller Chicago (Northern Mid-Western city by the lake) and Louisville (Southern Mid-Western city on the river) is a smaller St. Louis. If that’s the case, even somewhat, then I’m sure I will enjoy visiting both of them and easily find slices of each that I love and hopefully would be blissfully unaware of their problems as just a casual visitor. But until I see for myself they each remain a bit of an enigma to me. I look forward to finally visiting each though in the next couple of years.
1. Downtown: Milwaukee
2. Walkability: Milwaukee by a mile
3. Architecture: Milwaukee
4. Outdoor Recreation: Milwaukee
5. Bars/Restaurants: Milwaukee
6. Transportation Car and Public: Milwaukee
7. Scenery: Lake Michigan can be magical. Milwaukee
8. Climate: I’ve lived in both climates, and spent significantly more time outdoors in the cooler one. Milwaukee
9. Location: Water, big cities, north woods. Milwaukee
10. Economy: I can more easily get a job I like in Milwaukee
11. Suburbs: Milwaukee
12. Where would you rather live? Milwaukee
I saw Dayton on that Q2 list....but Milwaukee was NOT. I don't believe its there until I see the whole study. Regardless, its a statistical fact Louisville has more hotels under construction than Milwaukee. Don't make me bust out a list.
Louisivlle bests Milwaukee substantially in every single growth metric possible from city, MSA, CSA, GDP growth, etc. There are under 300k difference in MSA population and people are literally getting away with saying this is no comparison, that Louisville is a "small town" . It's laughable! I bet not a single one of you know Louisville has a pro soccer stadium and world class botanical garden under construction. You don't know about a new skyline that will rise to face the city from Indiana in the next few years.
I am going to laugh when I revisit this thread in 2025.
Milwaukee may be growing more slowly compared to Louisville, but it has good urban bones and an excellent downtown. Sometimes slow growth is good, it allows the city to keep pace with investments in infrastructure.
Milwaukee may be growing more slowly compared to Louisville, but it has good urban bones and an excellent downtown. Sometimes slow growth is good, it allows the city to keep pace with investments in infrastructure.
Milwaukee is a great city! So is Louisville. I think Louisville is the only one booming in construction. Milwaukee isn't terribly behind in construction.
Louisville has above average pop. growth....certainly not booming but 5% MSA growth is steady and good especially compared to fairly stagnant growth in Milwaukee.
So slightly below average. Thanks for correction. I didn't really take time to go through each one. Certainly much higher than Milwaukee. However, I never contended Louisville was booming in population. That's typical city data folks putting words in mouths. I do think it is booming in construction, development, and tourism. Plenty of literature on that.
As I said in another thread, relax, the boomtowns are safe! I do think Louisville has a chance to boom in population....Louisville's problem is its west side. Without pulling exact numbers, the eastern half of the city growing by 10-20%....the west and SW is in decline....if Louisville can find a way to bring economic prosperity to all (LOTS of development underway in West Louisville areas which haven't seen major development in decades), watch out for Louisville.
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