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I don't see why you wouldn't compare LP to wealthy in-town Boston neighborhoods like Back Bay or Brookline. Cambridge doesn't really function like LP; it isn't a neighborhood for Boston's wealthiest. DePaul isn't a major university and it's surroundings aren't analogous to Harvard Square.
If a typical Lincoln Park family moved to Boston, where would they most likely live? I think Brookline is the best answer. Wealthy, in-town, quiet, family oriented, great schools, public and private.
This is all nonsense. N. Clark is much more active than N. Lincoln, and none of these areas are more active than Harvard Square. Harvard Square is pretty much THE archetypal university town crossroads for the most famous university on earth. I attended Kennedy for grad school and it was very active 7 days, as late as 2 AM. Harvard students don't get up at 6 AM, like normal adults.
Also, not sure what you're referring to re. bars or Central Square. College students don't hang out in bars these days. Smartphones/social media ended the "let's first all meetup at Bar X" phenomenon. Almost all the college bars around my undergrad institution (not Harvard) have closed, but nighttime activity is as busy as ever.
Central Square is much quieter than Harvard Square, and is mostly older working folks, with a small sketchy area.
First and foremost, an affluent family (from the likes of LP) absolutely would look at Cambridge as a potential Boston area neighborhood, alongside Brookline. No doubt about it. There are large swaths of SFH/condo neighborhoods north and west that cater to wealthy families that are not interested in Boston Public Schools.
Within the confines of North to Belmont, the pockets of nightlife along and between N Clark and N Lincoln are nearly identical, not even taking into consideration N Halstead. That area- call it the trifecta- crushes any idea that Harvard Square could somehow be more vibrant at night. I mean.. Even Webster has a stretch of bars and college focused housing, west of N Lincoln, that could probably beat Harvard Square in a silo. State Bar and Homeslice on a Thursday have more buzz than any bar that comes to mind in Harvard Square on a Saturday, for reference.
DePaul and Harvard enroll the same amount of students, with the slight edge to DePaul. I'm not sure why you'd think Harvard's "nightlife" would be superior to that of an inner city college for middle America. But, it's not. Daytime activity, no doubt. But we are talking night time. And, if you don't think college students that attend school in the city go to bars, then you are way out of touch. Or the Harvard area has lead you to believe that, case and point. Charlies has a back patio where kids eat cheap burgers, and play trivia..
You are further proving to me that you don't know as much about Cambridge as you're leading us to believe. Davis and Central are the real restaurant/nightlife meccas of that corridor (less Alden and Harlow, which is better than any IMO). And for house parties, you'd have to cross the river into Allston to really see those on any grand scale, or start heading north/east of Harvard Square for the same.
First and foremost, an affluent family (from the likes of LP) absolutely would look at Cambridge as a potential Boston area neighborhood, alongside Brookline. No doubt about it. There are large swaths of SFH/condo neighborhoods north and west that cater to wealthy families that are not interested in Boston Public Schools.
I don't see why, given that Cambridge has terrible public schools, and the Boston area has a ton of excellent school districts. Who are these "wealthy families" that prefer to send their kids to terrible schools over excellent schools?
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Within the confines of North to Belmont, the pockets of nightlife along and between N Clark and N Lincoln are nearly identical, not even taking into consideration N Halstead. That area- call it the trifecta- crushes any idea that Harvard Square could somehow be more vibrant at night. I
This is all silly and untrue, as I've previously detailed.
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DePaul and Harvard enroll the same amount of students, with the slight edge to DePaul.
This is equally silly and irrelevant and I'm not gonna engage in a debate about whether or not DePaul is as famous/iconic and attracts as many visitors as Harvard because they have similar enrollment numbers. Waste of time.
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You are further proving to me that you don't know as much about Cambridge as you're leading us to believe. Davis and Central are the real restaurant/nightlife meccas of that corridor (less Alden and Harlow, which is better than any IMO). And for house parties, you'd have to cross the river into Allston to really see those on any grand scale, or start heading north/east of Harvard Square for the same.
It's quite clear you're unfamiliar with both Cambridge and Lincoln Park. Not gonna continue with the silliness.
In terms of population it is sort of like comparing Athens, Greece (population between 600,000 and 700,000) (similar to Boston, MA) to Madrid, Spain (population above 3,000,000) (similar to Chicago, IL).
A large city vs a metropolis is what is being compared here, so it depends on people's interests. If you like a real big city feel, then Chicago would be chosen, if you prefer a big city with a feel of being smaller (if that makes sense) you would pick Boston.
From an unbias opinion Chicago probably wins for the criteria picked because it is a bigger city with more amenities. 😎
Boston personally is still my favorite big city though. 😊
I don't see why, given that Cambridge has terrible public schools, and the Boston area has a ton of excellent school districts. Who are these "wealthy families" that prefer to send their kids to terrible schools over excellent schools?
This is all silly and untrue, as I've previously detailed.
This is equally silly and irrelevant and I'm not gonna engage in a debate about whether or not DePaul is as famous/iconic and attracts as many visitors as Harvard because they have similar enrollment numbers. Waste of time.
It's quite clear you're unfamiliar with both Cambridge and Lincoln Park. Not gonna continue with the silliness.
Are you suggesting that a family would rather send their kids to Chicago Public Schools than to Cambridge Public Schools? Please think about that. Regardless, I'd be thrilled to send my children to Cambridge Public Schools, if I could afford a $5M SFH with a yard.
Who else would be buying these properties, if not families? Cambridge schools are just like Lincoln Park Schools.. Diverse, crowded, and high income students will likely attend an Ivy League caliber University. But don't worry, Buckingham Browne and Nichols is smack dab in the middle of Cambridge's most family friendly neighborhood. So, we have options.
I know you don't want to continue this silliness, but you already have. And you're yet to answer my question- Which bar in Harvard Square packs out like Lincoln Avenue, Lincoln Social, Gaslight, State, Homeslice on a weekend? What would be Harvard's Kingston Mines equivalent? Tin Lizzie?
You are confusing reputation and prowess, and the things that come with that, to nightlife. Do you think the International tourists, or students on family tours of Harvard are there for the party? My money is in 25 year old Johnny from Iowa, who recently got his first paycheck in Finance.
In terms of population it is sort of like comparing Athens, Greece (population between 600,000 and 700,000) (similar to Boston, MA) to Madrid, Spain (population above 3,000,000) (similar to Chicago, IL).
A large city vs a metropolis is what is being compared here, so it depends on people's interests. If you like a real big city feel, then Chicago would be chosen, if you prefer a big city with a feel of being smaller (if that makes sense) you would pick Boston.
From an unbias opinion Chicago probably wins for the criteria picked because it is a bigger city with more amenities. 😎
Boston personally is still my favorite big city though. 😊
Athens is actually a very large city, with an extremely dense and urban metro of close to 4 million. Smaller than greater Madrid but not by a huge margin. Your comparison would be more apt if you compared, say, Amsterdam to Madrid.
In terms of population it is sort of like comparing Athens, Greece (population between 600,000 and 700,000) (similar to Boston, MA) to Madrid, Spain (population above 3,000,000) (similar to Chicago, IL).
Athens and Madrid have more or less the same population. Athens is around 5 million and Madrid is around 6-7 million. Not a huge difference.
And Chicago is bigger, but not much bigger. Twice the size by MSA and around 20% bigger by CSA. If you compare by economy, the gap is narrower still. Boston by CSA could have a larger economy within a few years.
But Chicago will probably always feel larger because the core is much larger, and it is presently larger by almost every metric. Philly is a better comparison to Boston.
This site needs to be changed to "Metro-Data" cause anytime cities are spoken of someone has to switch the topic to the metro... Chicago is way bigger than Boston, get over it.
Yeah I stayed in that area last summer — Ambassador Hotel. It’s a lovely, beautiful, elegant neighborhood. One of the most beautiful in the country IMO. And it does resemble the nicer blocks on the UES and UWS. But it doesn’t feel like anywhere in Manhattan. The main reason, I think, is that it’s entirely residential. North of Division/east of Wells — Clark, Dearborn, State and Astor — have virtually zero retail. In Manhattan every single Avenue is a busy retail corridor. From the air, looking from the Hancock observation deck, it looks indistinguishable from Uptown Manhattan. But on the street it feels nothing like it.
I would say the portion of the Gold Coast south of Division (Viagra Triangle and the surrounding blocks) is probably the closest thing Chicago’s got to Manhattan. But, anyway, enough about Chicago vs NYC.
The "Viagra Triangle?" Wow, that's funny! I never heard that nickname before... I know and love that part of Chicago well. We love grabbing brunch at the Original Pancake House on Bellevue.
But Chicago will probably always feel larger because the core is much larger, and it is presently larger by almost every metric. Philly is a better comparison to Boston.
Chicago's 230 sq miles compared to Boston's 50 doesn't play a role in this? It's just the core? What metric is Boston's core larger than Chicago's since you said Chicago is presently larger in "almost" every metric?"
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I never heard that nickname before... I know and love that part of Chicago well. We love grabbing brunch at the Original Pancake House on Bellevue.
