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This doesn't make any sense? Chicago had about 415 in both 2013 and 2014. The lowest it's been since the 60s. It was so close to dropping into the 300s and they blew it. But all the factors that made it spike to 762 (Rahm Emanuel and the Macdonald tape, Eddie Johnson, Civil Liberties Union) are all gone. When homicides have been falling by approximately 13% every year since 2016, you would expect 2020 to end with about 430, and 2021 should end with about 380.
If Chicago can even hit even 399, it will completely end all basis for the "Chicago murder capital" narrative. Then Chicago can finally move forward with becoming a true global city that the world will take seriously. So is Chicago tryna do that or na? You would think with all the skyscrapers being built and all the gentrification into historically dangerous neighborhoods like Little Village, Chicago Lawn, and Back of the yards, along with the rapid decline in the black population, the homicide numbers should be continuing to go down.
People might just chock it up to being part of Chicago's gang epidemic, but at this rate it seems like it must just be based on individual retaliation instead. What do gangs have to profit from killing this many people. Gangs historically try to stay out of eachother's way so they can do business instead of spending resources killing a lot of people.
I will admit to not knowing a bunch about the specific gang problems in Chicago, but isn't Chicago's present day gang culture a joke compared to what it was in the Larry Hoover days? Like its just small sets now I assume? Ive heard Philly doesn't have organized gangs but I assume they have neighborhood sets as well? And with a similar Black population they still trail Chicago in homicides by a good margin.
Chicago's persistent violence is caused by the same things that prevent it from achieving true global status. Systemic racial segregation is so endemic that poor minorities get bottled up in bad neighborhoods with bad schools and no economic opportunity. What gentrification does occur in Chicago is limited to a small segment of the city and a lot of attention is on those neighborhoods because only there are property values and incomes high enough to create revenue, business, tourism, etc. Finally, the state economic and budgetary crisis and metro population loss are really bad and keep the state from investing a more transformative amount in the place. It's a neat town, but it's so profoundly dysfunctional.
yes its true baltimore is doing worse rn compared to the 1990s but in no way does baltimore compare to the central american cities filled with drugs its like saying nyc and los angeles is worse than ciduad victoria based on numbers
No it's not the same thing. NYC and Los Angeles have murder rates that are a fraction of Ciudad Victoria. Comparing Baltimore with Ciudad Victoria does make sense as their murder rates are very similar
No it's not the same thing. NYC and Los Angeles have murder rates that are a fraction of Ciudad Victoria. Comparing Baltimore with Ciudad Victoria does make sense as their murder rates are very similar
Murder rate doesn't take into account the why's, who's, what's and the where's so it has no real world correlation other than online statistical measuring/comparisons.
There is no American city (Baltimore included) that is as dangerous as Ciudad Victoria in the real world
This doesn't make any sense? Chicago had about 415 in both 2013 and 2014. The lowest it's been since the 60s. It was so close to dropping into the 300s and they blew it. But all the factors that made it spike to 762 (Rahm Emanuel and the Macdonald tape, Eddie Johnson, Civil Liberties Union) are all gone. When homicides have been falling by approximately 13% every year since 2016, you would expect 2020 to end with about 430, and 2021 should end with about 380.
If Chicago can even hit even 399, it will completely end all basis for the "Chicago murder capital" narrative. Then Chicago can finally move forward with becoming a true global city that the world will take seriously. So is Chicago tryna do that or na? You would think with all the skyscrapers being built and all the gentrification into historically dangerous neighborhoods like Little Village, Chicago Lawn, and Back of the yards, along with the rapid decline in the black population, the homicide numbers should be continuing to go down.
People might just chock it up to being part of Chicago's gang epidemic, but at this rate it seems like it must just be based on individual retaliation instead. What do gangs have to profit from killing this many people. Gangs historically try to stay out of eachother's way so they can do business instead of spending resources killing a lot of people.
I will admit to not knowing a bunch about the specific gang problems in Chicago, but isn't Chicago's present day gang culture a joke compared to what it was in the Larry Hoover days? Like its just small sets now I assume? Ive heard Philly doesn't have organized gangs but I assume they have neighborhood sets as well? And with a similar Black population they still trail Chicago in homicides by a good margin.
Gentrification was in full effect in former Puerto Rican/latino enclaves in Wicker Park, Logan Square, Lincoln Park, etc. In the the south and west side, there were mostly a large scale removal of mid to high rise public housing projects, which as a result neighborhoods like Douglas, Grand Boulevard, and Oakland(collectively better known as simply Bronzeville) saw a massive drop in homicides to the point it's no long in the worst top 20. However what remains in site is a high a amount lot of vacancy, so gentrification hasn't been in full swing yet.
The three neighborhoods you've mentioned are still gang-infested, especially pertaining to latino gangs. Pilsen has seen gentrification near 18th & Halsted area and is no longer the gangland hood it used to be, but it's not the case with the aforementioned. Little Village is a bit peculiar, yet typical of a lower income latino neighborhood in Chicago, in that it contains one of the most entrenched gang territories(primarily split in half by two rival gangs, the Latin Kings and Gangster Two-Six) in all of Chicago and they regularly shoot it out, yet the main commercial corridor on 26th St. is very vibrant and the area being gang-infested has not slowed down business. In fact, 26th St. La Villita grosses the second highest revenue in the city after (Mag Mile) North Michigan Ave, annually earning over $900 million. That's very impressive for a community that has 30% of its residents living under poverty.
Yes, organized gangs are not what they used to be, at least for black gang sets on the south and north side(Uptown/ Rogers Park area). The block cliques(which could include members of different gangs not even of the same alliance of Folks/People) are honored first before the citywide gang/nation(GD, BD, Vice Lord, 4ch). Latino/Mexican gangs are a bit different, more traditional. The murders going down to the 300s can certainly happen, but at the same time what year 2016 exposed was that it can also go right back up at any time. First off, Chicago has a low homicide clearance rate, so those lower numbers seems like a chance of luck. That needs to be change. Secondly, real change won't come until the city or state finds a way to effectively rehabilitate those who were incarcerated back into normal civilian life. I once read somewhere that the Harrison district has around 70% of men that were incarcerated at one point in their life. That's insane. It's also a fact that in blighted neighborhoods, businesses and employment opportunities become scarce. West Englewood had an unemployment rate of over 35%, and in many community areas on the south and west side the unemployment rate is in the high teens and twenties, and a few others reaching in the 30s. That needs to be changed soon.
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No it's not the same thing. NYC and Los Angeles have murder rates that are a fraction of Ciudad Victoria. Comparing Baltimore with Ciudad Victoria does make sense as their murder rates are very similar
I said based on numbers, which meant MURDER COUNT, not the MURDER RATE comparing those two cities to Ciduad Victoria, because not everyone looks at the murder rate they look at the count, just like Chicago. People used to be freaked over them numbers when the murder rate wasn't like Baltimore or Detroit but still bad because they never encountered that in a decade to have them type of numbers
Gentrification was in full effect in former Puerto Rican/latino enclaves in Wicker Park, Logan Square, Lincoln Park, etc. In the the south and west side, there were mostly a large scale removal of mid to high rise public housing projects, which as a result neighborhoods like Douglas, Grand Boulevard, and Oakland(collectively better known as simply Bronzeville) saw a massive drop in homicides to the point it's no long in the worst top 20. However what remains in site is a high a amount lot of vacancy, so gentrification hasn't been in full swing yet.
The three neighborhoods you've mentioned are still gang-infested, especially pertaining to latino gangs. Pilsen has seen gentrification near 18th & Halsted area and is no longer the gangland hood it used to be, but it's not the case with the aforementioned. Little Village is a bit peculiar, yet typical of a lower income latino neighborhood in Chicago, in that it contains one of the most entrenched gang territories(primarily split in half by two rival gangs, the Latin Kings and Gangster Two-Six) in all of Chicago and they regularly shoot it out, yet the main commercial corridor on 26th St. is very vibrant and the area being gang-infested has not slowed down business. In fact, 26th St. La Villita grosses the second highest revenue in the city after (Mag Mile) North Michigan Ave, annually earning over $900 million. That's very impressive for a community that has 30% of its residents living under poverty.
Yes, organized gangs are not what they used to be, at least for black gang sets on the south and north side(Uptown/ Rogers Park area). The block cliques(which could include members of different gangs not even of the same alliance of Folks/People) are honored first before the citywide gang/nation(GD, BD, Vice Lord, 4ch). Latino/Mexican gangs are a bit different, more traditional. The murders going down to the 300s can certainly happen, but at the same time what year 2016 exposed was that it can also go right back up at any time. First off, Chicago has a low homicide clearance rate, so those lower numbers seems like a chance of luck. That needs to be change. Secondly, real change won't come until the city or state finds a way to effectively rehabilitate those who were incarcerated back into normal civilian life. I once read somewhere that the Harrison district has around 70% of men that were incarcerated at one point in their life. That's insane. It's also a fact that in blighted neighborhoods, businesses and employment opportunities become scarce. West Englewood had an unemployment rate of over 35%, and in many community areas on the south and west side the unemployment rate is in the high teens and twenties, and a few others reaching in the 30s. That needs to be changed soon.
When you said that the Harrison district had over 70% or 7 out of 10 men were incarcerated, I was thinking how corrupt the city was. It seems like the city will have low numbers if they try to clean up the bad neighborhoods. It might be the only way if people want to decrease the murder counts. Examples are D.C.,Oakland,San Francisco,New Orleans, Los Angeles, New York ,etc. I know in the cities I mentioned theres still some projects standing to this day from the crack era but I also know that the cities I mentioned, they took out the damn near third world neighborhoods and replaced it with condos and thriving places, and the murders decrease. I don't like Gentrification and I never will, but if I were to be honest, they might as well gentrify the worse areas so the murder rate can decrease for good
Chicago's persistent violence is caused by the same things that prevent it from achieving true global status. Systemic racial segregation is so endemic that poor minorities get bottled up in bad neighborhoods with bad schools and no economic opportunity. What gentrification does occur in Chicago is limited to a small segment of the city and a lot of attention is on those neighborhoods because only there are property values and incomes high enough to create revenue, business, tourism, etc. Finally, the state economic and budgetary crisis and metro population loss are really bad and keep the state from investing a more transformative amount in the place. It's a neat town, but it's so profoundly dysfunctional.
Don't forget how corrupt the police or the politics are. I know it doesn't do alot but either way corruption affects the city
This doesn't make any sense? Chicago had about 415 in both 2013 and 2014. The lowest it's been since the 60s. It was so close to dropping into the 300s and they blew it. But all the factors that made it spike to 762 (Rahm Emanuel and the Macdonald tape, Eddie Johnson, Civil Liberties Union) are all gone. When homicides have been falling by approximately 13% every year since 2016, you would expect 2020 to end with about 430, and 2021 should end with about 380.
If Chicago can even hit even 399, it will completely end all basis for the "Chicago murder capital" narrative. Then Chicago can finally move forward with becoming a true global city that the world will take seriously. So is Chicago tryna do that or na? You would think with all the skyscrapers being built and all the gentrification into historically dangerous neighborhoods like Little Village, Chicago Lawn, and Back of the yards, along with the rapid decline in the black population, the homicide numbers should be continuing to go down.
People might just chock it up to being part of Chicago's gang epidemic, but at this rate it seems like it must just be based on individual retaliation instead. What do gangs have to profit from killing this many people. Gangs historically try to stay out of eachother's way so they can do business instead of spending resources killing a lot of people.
I will admit to not knowing a bunch about the specific gang problems in Chicago, but isn't Chicago's present day gang culture a joke compared to what it was in the Larry Hoover days? Like its just small sets now I assume? Ive heard Philly doesn't have organized gangs but I assume they have neighborhood sets as well? And with a similar Black population they still trail Chicago in homicides by a good margin.
Seems like Philadelphia is like that because compared to Chicago,Philadelphia is mostly organized drug trades despite the gangs and cliques
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