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I was just there over the weekend. It still lacks that true big city feel that places like Philly, DC, Chicago and SF have. Downtown/Brickell is a monster, although not really any different than Downtown/Midtown ATL.
The rest is very misleading if simply looking at Googlemaps. It still looks like this, in even the most urban parts of the city:
Which can be mistaken for an urban area in any major city in Florida. The lack of tree cover is also very misleading if looking at an aerial Googlemaps view.
It does not feel any bigger than Atlanta, nor does it feel more urban. I find Downtown/Midtown Atlanta to have a much stronger urban vibe than Downtown/Brickell Miami. The rest is debatable. Atlanta may have a more suburban vibe in neighborhoods adjacent to its core, but that's not saying much.
Comparisons to Philly, DC, Chicago and SF in scale and feel is asinine. It does not come close.
As does Miami. It drops VERY fast.
Same can be said about Miami and I-95. I-95 is the I-75/I-85 of FL. A corridor of [impressive] tall buildings, surrounded by suburban neighborhoods, that quickly drop into rural.
The two cities aren't all that different, despite how Googlemaps makes it seem.
Nah the densities are much higher in the Miami area leading to higher visible activity levels vs Atlanta which is more concentrated in the intown areas then a huge drop off. Miami doesnt drop off until you literally get to federally protected lands or an ocean. Thats a much different scenario no matter how you look at it.
All over downtown is an exaggeration. I saw a couple in downtown, one or two in Buckhead, and a couple south east of downtown (not sure on the neighborhood.) I’m sure there’s more, but they’re not all over the place like Miami. I think Tampa/St.Pete might actually have Atlanta beat for new development, at least relative to the number of existing towers.
Don’t get me wrong, I actually like Atlanta. It just isn’t going through a period of Manhattanization like Miami. It’s amazing how different these cities are too for not being that far apart.
Yeah he's definitely exaggerating. Atlanta is growing but its nothing like the insane vertical growth of austin, miami, toronto, or seattle. l
Yeah not sure how these maps supposed to show Miami feeling bigger than Chicago, SF, etc.
I bet he can do the same and claim Miami is more rand than NY too. It's just the scale that he uses. Zoom from 10 miles to 20 and miraculous Miami looks smaller than Atlanta and way smaller than Chicago. Zoom further to 50 and Miami looks like a twig.
I maintain my position, you get the feel of a city by traveling through it. This Google maps thing is just perspective.
I'm not claiming anything other than my own opinion. I posted the Urban Area maps all at the same scale and simply said the Miami metro is a gridded beast now. Nothing more nothing less. Then you come here with all this weird map scale talk acting like people here don't know how to use maps or how perspective works? You think if you zoom out to a 50 mile scale that Miami is the only metro that would look smaller?? The maps I posted speak for themselves. Your comment is really just meaningless.
So you honestly think that's what Miami (and all of South Florida while we're on the subject) looks like in the most urban parts of the countless dense areas down there? You can't be serious can you? I've seen some pretty funny comments from you while you've been on your lifetime South Florida hating journey, but this might make your top 20 funniest of all time list. Just ridiculous nonsense.
You see, using metro areas when looking at density is pretty much meaningless, because they factor in the whole entire counties when they do the math, even if they are mostly empty. Just look at the list you posted. Atlanta metro above Seattle metro? Charlotte above San Jose? I mean come on it has Key West at 20 people/sq mi. You didn't even look through it before you posted it? Look through the list and you will see it's just meaningless and almost random. (because of the widely varying county sizes in the U.S.)
The best and really only way to get the true density of an Urban Area is by using you guessed it, the Urban Area density.
Urban Areas by population density - per square mile - 2021
Los Angeles, CA --------------------- 15,477,000----- 6,312 sq mi
San Francisco-San Jose, CA --------- 6,481,000----- 5,844
You see, using metro areas when looking at density is pretty much meaningless, because they factor in the whole entire counties when they do the math, even if they are mostly empty. Just look at the list you posted. Atlanta metro above Seattle metro? Charlotte above San Jose? I mean come on it has Key West at 20 people/sq mi. You didn't even look through it before you posted it? Look through the list and you will see it's just meaningless and almost random. (because of the widely varying county sizes in the U.S.)
The best and really only way to get the true density of an Urban Area is by using you guessed it, the Urban Area density.
Urban Areas by population density per square mile - 2021
Los Angeles, CA --------------------- 15,477,000----- 6,312 sq mi
San Francisco-San Jose, CA --------- 6,481,000----- 5,844
Houston/Dallas being more dense than Chicago, Philly, and Boston makes that data laughable.
They were almost as dense as the Chicago Urban Area even way back in 2010. These numbers below are from the 2010 U.S. Census. The numbers I posted above are just newer from 2021, but as you can see the density ranks are almost the same as the 2010 Census ranks.
F*ck the data, i've been to all 5 cities and there's no way in hell you're gonna tell me Houston/Dallas is more dense than Chicago, Philly or Boston bro. My own eyes dont decieve. Evanston, a Chicago suburb has better urban planning, more foot traffic, and a better downtown than both Houston and Dallas. There are multiple Chicago/Boston SUBURBS denser than the most dense hoods in Dallas/Houston.
Sorry, you're not gonna tell me Dallas with it seas of cul de sacs, subdivisions, strip malls, and single family homes all in city limits are denser than Philly (the rowhouse capital of America) or Boston which is filled with multi unit housing and good urban planning.
F*ck the data, i've been to all 5 cities and there's no way in hell you're gonna tell me Houston/Dallas is more dense than Chicago, Philly or Boston bro. My own eyes dont decieve. Evanston, a Chicago suburb has better urban planning, more foot traffic, and a better downtown than both Houston and Dallas. There are multiple Chicago/Boston SUBURBS denser than the most dense hoods in Dallas/Houston.
Sorry, you're not gonna tell me Dallas with it seas of cul de sacs, subdivisions, strip malls, and single family homes all in city limits are denser than Philly (the rowhouse capital of America) or Boston which is filled with multi unit housing and good urban planning.
It's the same exact reason why the Los Angeles, San Francisco and Miami Urban Area's are denser than New York City's UA ... Much denser suburbs etc.. It's really not that complicated
You might like the metro weighted density rankings better..
Credit to 18Montclair
2020 Weighted population density for MSAs over 1 million:
Population-weighted density is the mean of the densities of subareas of a larger area weighted by the populations of those subareas. It is an alternative to the conventional density measure, total population divided by total area.
New York: 33,787.5 San Francisco....13,267.8
Honolulu....12,581.9 Los Angeles....12,169.4 San Jose....9,075.9 Chicago....9,011.9 Boston....8,987.9 Miami....8,489.2 Philadelphia....8,258.5
San Diego....7,381.9 Washington....7,296.1
Las Vegas....7,031.7
Seattle....6,146.3
Denver....5,418.0
Providence....5,204.6 Baltimore....5,144.7
Salt Lake City....5,070.9
Portland....5,058.8
Milwaukee....5,023.7
Sacramento....5,002.7
Phoenix....4,807.7
Riverside....4,636.9 Houston....4,606.4
New Orleans....4,577.0
Fresno....4,518.4
Buffalo....4,348.8 Dallas....4,274.7
Detroit....3,906.9
Minneapolis....3,784.4
Cleveland....3,676.9 Tampa Bay....3,616.6
Columbus....3,605.8
Virginia Beach....3,580.8
Austin....3,565.3
San Antonio....3,424.0
Tucson....3,285.2 Orlando....3,275.7
Hartford....3,195.3
Pittsburgh....2,970.0
Rochester....2,948.2
St. Louis....2,738.0 Atlanta....2,686.4
Louisville....2,686.3
Cincinnati....2,658.2
Oklahoma City....2,647.3
Richmond....2,590.4
Kansas City....2,561.4
Indianapolis....2,457.3
Jacksonville....2,431.3
Grand Rapids....2,413.3
Memphis....2,339.4
Tulsa....2,167.3
Raleigh....2,166.8
Charlotte....1,996.1
Nashville....1,943.3
Birmingham....1,402.6
Credit to 18Montclair
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