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I don't think this is true and naw.. they're white. I can't imagine counting that as non-white "diversity" any more than I would Jews or Armenians or Greeks.
I’m not saying they’re not white but they do add a layer of Diversity to the city.
It seems ~9.7% of Providence County speakers “other (than Spanish) indo-European languages.
That’s mostly Portuguese I think. (Maybe a tiny bit of Italian?)
Compared to 14.3% of Milwaukee that speaks Spanish.
So Portuguese is almost as common in Providence as Spanish in Milwaukee. Providence is 16.3% Spanish.
It’s also 29.8% vs 20.3% overall non-English speakers.
As a 1st language, or just speak fluently (2nd/3rd generation)?
And what does Indo-European include? Indian, Greek, Albanian, Lebanese I would imagine? I also wonder if Cape Verdean (Portuguese influenced language) or Haitian (French influenced) is included there? I highly doubt anywhere near 9.7% of Providence speaks Portuguese as a primary language in 2021, even if you count 2nd or 3rd generation who might speak it around elders but function in English outside the home.
As a 1st language, or just speak fluently (2nd/3rd generation)?
And what does Indo-European include? Indian, Greek, Albanian, Lebanese I would imagine? I also wonder if Cape Verdean (Portuguese-influenced language) is included there? I highly doubt anywhere near 9.7% of Providence speaks Portuguese as a primary language in 2021, even if you count 2nd or 3rd generation who might speak it around elders but function in English outside the home.
Providence County vs Providence City though? If it includes Cape Verdean Creole (cant really call that Indo-European though) it's possible.
I was thinking of the city. East Providence would be higher, the rest of the county lower (if we are talking "Portuguese").
To be clear I'm not disputing the 9.7% number for all Indo-European languages (again depending on how that's defined), I just question the idea that most of those are Portuguese these days.
As a 1st language, or just speak fluently (2nd/3rd generation)?
And what does Indo-European include? Indian, Greek, Albanian, Lebanese I would imagine? I also wonder if Cape Verdean (Portuguese influenced language) or Haitian (French influenced) is included there? I highly doubt anywhere near 9.7% of Providence speaks Portuguese as a primary language in 2021, even if you count 2nd or 3rd generation who might speak it around elders but function in English outside the home.
Indo-European is basically West of Iran excluding Arabic.
But I don’t think there is significant Eastern/Northern European (barring English obviously) languages spoken in Providence.
It’s Language spoken at home. I believe Creoles are lumped with their mother language. Which is true for the Spanish numbers as well.
It’s technically “Spanish or Spanish Creole”
I do think it’s largely Portuguese though. That number is 11.3% in Bristol County which is obviously Portuguese
Indo-European is basically West of Iran excluding Arabic.
But I don’t think there is significant Eastern/Northern European (barring English obviously) languages spoken in Providence.
It’s Language spoken at home. I believe Creoles are lumped with their mother language. Which is true for the Spanish numbers as well.
It’s technically “Spanish or Spanish Creole”
I do think it’s largely Portuguese though. That number is 11.3% in Bristol County which is obviously Portuguese
If Creoles are lumped in with their mother language then Cape Verdean is going to vastly outnumber Portuguese in either the city of Providence or Providence County. A lot of Cape Verdeans in New Bedford and Taunton as well.
If Creoles are lumped in with their mother language then Cape Verdean is going to vastly outnumber Portuguese in either the city of Providence or Providence County. A lot of Cape Verdeans in New Bedford and Taunton as well.
Bristol is Bristol RI not Bristol MA.
That number is for Providence Country.
I felt like Providence County is a fairer comparison since Providence City is so small that it’s foreign language numbers would be sky high compared to Milwaukee which has city limits including basically Cranston-like Suburban sprawl
Providence City is 50.3% Non-English speaking at home. Milwaukee City is 20.3%
I felt like Providence County is a fairer comparison since Providence City is so small that it’s foreign language numbers would be sky high compared to Milwaukee which has city limits including basically Cranston-like Suburban sprawl
Providence City is 50.3% Non-English speaking at home. Milwaukee City is 20.3%
If you are talking about Bristol County, RI, you are probably correct. Bristol and Warren are both heavily Portuguese. But that is very small population and very white (non-diverse), relative to Providence County. Totally different animals.
Urbanity: Providence
Public Transportation: Milwaukee
Education: Providence
Shopping: Milwaukee
Suburbs: Milwaukee
Crime: Providence
Museums/Attractions: Tie
Downtown: Milwaukee
Neighborhoods: Milwaukee
Diversity: Tie
Parks: Milwaukee
Future outlook: Short term Providence Long term Milwaukee
Milwaukee does really well in this matchup. Providence is more dense but not that much more functionally urban. It's just more congested. Milwaukee has a more relaxed built environment. Providence has great parks but some of the best ones are at the corners of the city and a lot of the city is just a maze of narrow streets. Milwaukee does a better job of centering neighborhoods around parks on a neighborhood level.
The downtown in Providence feels cutoff from the neighborhoods and a large chunk of it is warhouse type buildings such as this:
Milwaukee is built like a mini Chicago and laid out in a similarly well designed fashion. The same can't be said for Providence. It's more like Boston but not as close as Chicago and Milwaukee. It isn't as redeveloped as Boston. Places like the pic above would look like this in Boston:
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