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There are a significant number of Ecuadorians in Minneapolis. Most of them are working on fake papers so they don't show up in census numbers. I work in restaurants, most of the cooks and dishwashers in Minneapolis are from Ecuador, probably 10,000 to 15,000. This sort of glitch probably exists in the foreign born numbers in a lot of cities. Especially for smaller Latin American countries that send a lot of migrants to the US. We will see it in the numbers for the next generation where ancestries pop up in significant numbers where it didn't look like a particular city had a lot of immigrants from that country.
Why are Chicago's stats so slim? I was expecting more seeing it had the 4 highest foreign born numbers.
I also thought DFW would have done better on this than Atlanta. Also, it doesn't seem the Africans like New York. It's the only region NY isn't on the charts in.
An odd observation is that MSP seems to attract people only from mild weather countries.
The way the numbers were broken down were as a % of the urban area. In terms of raw numbers Chicago presumably has nationalities with larger numbers than some of those listed for other cities, but because they don’t hit the 0.5% threshold they’ve been excluded.
Why are Chicago's stats so slim? I was expecting more seeing it had the 4 highest foreign born numbers.
I also thought DFW would have done better on this than Atlanta. Also, it doesn't seem the Africans like New York. It's the only region NY isn't on the charts in.
An odd observation is that MSP seems to attract people only from mild weather countries.
Because Chicago is by far the most overrated place on earth in terms of its internationalism and level of global importance. It's basically just a giant Midwestern city and not, like NYC or LA, an international city that somehow transcends its region or country in its global identity.
The way the numbers were broken down were as a % of the urban area. In terms of raw numbers Chicago presumably has nationalities with larger numbers than some of those listed for other cities, but because they don’t hit the 0.5% threshold they’ve been excluded.
Los Angeles, Houston, and NYC have metro populations close to or even much larger than Chicago and they have nationalities listed. It's a Chicago thing and not a methodology thing.
Why are Chicago's stats so slim? I was expecting more seeing it had the 4 highest foreign born numbers.
I also thought DFW would have done better on this than Atlanta. Also, it doesn't seem the Africans like New York. It's the only region NY isn't on the charts in.
An odd observation is that MSP seems to attract people only from mild weather countries.
Besides Atlanta, it’s funny that I observed everything you did and was about to make this exact post.
Los Angeles, Houston, and NYC have metro populations close to or even much larger than Chicago and they have nationalities listed. It's a Chicago thing and not a methodology thing.
It’s not really a matter of opinion. The poster I responded to wonders why Chicago only has a few nationalities listed because it has a large foreign born population in terms of overall numbers. And it does - just not particularly high given its large overall population. But for example, the lowest number on the Chicago list was 62k, while Charlotte gets countries on its list with 7500 and up.
I’m not saying the methodology is wrong or flawed but it doesn’t convey raw numbers. And I know the OP has done similar lists with raw numbers as well.
And I also never said Chicago was comparable to those other cities you mentioned in terms of immigration.
It’s not really a matter of opinion. The poster I responded to wonders why Chicago only has a few nationalities listed because it has a large foreign born population in terms of overall numbers. And it does - just not particularly high given its large overall population. But for example, the lowest number on the Chicago list was 62k, while Charlotte gets countries on its list with 7500 and up.
I’m not saying the methodology is wrong or flawed but it doesn’t convey raw numbers. And I know the OP has done similar lists with raw numbers as well.
And I also never said Chicago was comparable to those other cities you mentioned in terms of immigration.
I think we need to clarify a few things:
1) Diversity is something that is measured by several metrics, not one alone. I think the 0.5% metric helps show which ethnic groups are most visible in a place. For example, DFW has the largest Nepalese community in the country, but unless youre in Irving, Coppell or Northwest Dallas, youll never see it. Even though its the largest, its not big enough to be visible to large swaths of the metro area. At the 0.5% mark, I feel that an ethnic group will meet a visible threshold.
2) Different metro areas follow different patterns. I did show total foreign born along with concentration of each group. Chicago and DFW follow one pattern: larger numbers of immigrants from fewer countries. Both attract larger number of immigrants, but they come from fewer countries. Detroit and Minneapolis follow another pattern: fewer immigrants from more countries. These have pockets throughout their areas, but they will be smaller. Does that make Detroit and Minneapolis more diverse than Chicago and DFW? No, not at all because this is just one metric. Racial diversity has to be accounted for and I listed that data earlier.
The way the numbers were broken down were as a % of the urban area. In terms of raw numbers Chicago presumably has nationalities with larger numbers than some of those listed for other cities, but because they don’t hit the 0.5% threshold they’ve been excluded.
Just for comparison, here are all Urban Areas and immigrant groups over 20,000.
Wow. You really see the scope of NY when the lower limit is set to 20k, but I do understand and agree with your reasoning behind the prior list.
LA and Chicago also shows more depth in this list but they are still underwhelming for their size.
On this expanded list Miami adds only ONE non America's country.
This variation of the list showed what I was expecting for the comparison between DFW and Atlanta. The last 20 years has shown a huge growth in foreign born population for both metros with DFW having an edge.
MSP maintained is fair weather grouping.
I'm surprised Mexico didn't make the list for Boston and especially Orlando.
That's really interesting. I wonder where they project all of these new white immigrants will come from? Southern Africa? Eastern Europe?
I think the projection is based on MENA (Middle East North Africa) but Eastern European immigration is growing due to the war. Not sure how much of a demographic impact Eastern Europeans will have on the US long-term. Not sure about Southern Africa, but a growing share of h2b farm worker visas are from South Africa.
Fastest growing immigrant groups in 2019 (Annual growth rate)
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