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Regarding Montreal using the following tool. https://www.freemaptools.com/find-population.htm
in 2016 Montreal population at 90 km radius (25,000 square kilometer) was 4.5 million, since then the region's population has grown by 5% so let's assume 4.8 million today
so like for like I would say Seattle is at 4.0 Million and Montreal is at 4.8 Million today making Montreal 20% larger.
Regarding population, seattle as all US cities has a much looser differentiation of a metro area boosting your populations greatly, even so Montreal was at 4.4 million in 2021 so 10% larger but the real difference is probably around 33% larger if measured the same way. the key would be was when tacoma reached a population of 100,000 which would means seattle metro population could not include anything in and south of Tacoma if measured the Canadian way.
Seattle had 4.0 million people in a metro area of 21,202 Square kilometers
Montreal had 4.4 million people in a metro area of 4,604 Square kilometers
Seattle: 3.163 million in 2020
Montreal: 3.845 million in 2016
Montreal: 4.000 million in 2020 (assuming a growth of 4%) so montreal would be 30% larger
Drop the radius, and the differences are more staggering: 30 mile radius has Montreal at 3.2M, Seattle at just under 2M...
Drop it to 20 miles, and Montreal is still at 2.5M, while Seattle is at around 1M.
And so on and so on...
The key difference here is that Montreal has 4 million people crammed into a small space, and it rapidly turns into cow town once you leave that space.
Seattle has far less people within the same [small] radius as Montreal, but it sprawls out into suburbia for quite some time, as is generally more of the American MSA model. And with population centers like Belleview and Tacoma within its MSA, the numbers skyrocket pretty fast. Montreal doesn't really have much equivalent to those two places... Maybe Laval? And even then... Laval, again, is confined to an island, and rapidly turns into nothing on the other side of the river.
Comparing Montreal to an American MSA is kind of pointless. They are built entirely differently.
Montreal seems to have the urban chops of the best US cities (minus NYC), plus Canada's superior healthcare and social service approaches. Take away the 3-4 months of icy death and be kind to my attempts at French and it sounds pretty awesome.
The secret sauce of Montreal is that it combines the best aspects of legacy European and American cities. Big, tall buildings, pro sports, also old world Quebecois culture. The northeast corridor cities that claim European traits (mosty D.C.) fall hilariously short of Montreal in that regard.
Not a USA vs Canada thread, or a USA density of cities vs Canada, or other cities threads got closed.
The Canadian city of Montreal won and in this not even close poll. Most even Americans have voted your city and on the list of traits the OP gave.
If it was on Skylines alone? Then I would vote Seattle. With the others the OP listed. Than yeah it went to Montreal.
The OP claimed metro Montreal and metro Seattle are near the same since the first post claims Seattle hit 4-mil. When I looked it up the 2021 stat for metro Seattle and Montreal. I also found the Urban Area stats too.
Seattle UA stat for 2019 ---- 3,406,000
Montreal UA stat for 2019 - 4,263,000
The UA of theses cities are expected to grow to
Seattle UA 2035 to ---- 3.9 mil
Montreal UA 2035 to - 4.7 mil
So there is a considerable difference here yes. Still comparable.
Actually, OP basically seems to have chose by metro size. So let's do metro pop.
Strata.com does agree to the OP claiming the
Seattle- Talcoma- Bellevue metro did reach 4-mil 2020.
Seattle metro pop. ---- 4.0 mil
Montreal metro pop. - 4.4 mil
So by metro closer. Both port cities yet different Nations and histories. I would have thought Montreal was founded much earlier then Seattle, but only like 3 decades.
It can be noted on skylines and for the future. Downtown Seattle can build a super-tall and almost did. Montreal cannot as the city has a self-imposed height limit of 233 m. or 764 ft. about a 50-story building. Still not bad. Just a couple reasons for a stature and a Cross on a mount. Not by a airport so it can change.
So by metro closer. Both port cities yet different Nations and histories. I would have thought Montreal was founded much earlier then Seattle, but only like 3 decades.
It can be noted on skylines and for the future. Downtown Seattle can build a super-tall and almost did. Montreal cannot as the city has a self-imposed height limit of 233 m. or 764 ft. about a 50-story building. Still not bad. Just a couple reasons for a stature and a Cross on a mount. Not by a airport so it can change.
Montreal was founded as another town in the 1600’s. When Montreal was incorporated in the 1800’s over 100,000 people lived there. It is much older.
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