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How can a place NOT change over time? Culture, economic foundations, ties to other places...all dynamic.
That doesn't point to any specific change, but changes do occur.
The obvious disconnect is that people are approaching this differently. Some, including you, have this idea of what it means to be Southern, and so label a place South based on it meeting those ideas. Others, like the one you are speaking to, have this idea of what the South is, so defines Southern based off what they think of as the South. I am very bias and agree with the latter. To me, the South is a geographic region. The Tejano culture of Texas is 100% just as Southern as the culture of the White and Black folk in rural Alabama. Places like Southern Missiouri and Illinois may have Southern aspects, but they are not part of the South. El Paso, Miami, and Baltimore might not fit people's stereotype of what is the South, but I consider them to still be part of the South and testaments to how diverse the South is, in multiple ways. I mean, I don't consider Kamchatka part of Europe even though it is over 90% European in population.
There is the argument to be made that most people in said area may not identify as being part of the South, but would you consider Kamchatka part of Europe if the people started claiming it is part of Europe?
How can a place NOT change over time? Culture, economic foundations, ties to other places...all dynamic.
That doesn't point to any specific change, but changes do occur.
A place can change culturally over time, but the Census still classifies DC, MD, and VA as the South. Nobody would confuse them as being traditionally deep southern states, but if they are labeled as being in the South, what is the issue with that? It is a geographic location and not necessarily indicative of the culture of the states.
The Census groups things for convenience, and doesn't change anything for generations because that would complicate their statistics.
A lot of people on CD have an odd "fan site" mindset....that public agencies with narrow roles are somehow broad authorities on subjective topics. The real world isn't like that.
The Census groups things for convenience, and doesn't change anything for generations because that would complicate their statistics.
A lot of people on CD have an odd "fan site" mindset....that public agencies with narrow roles are somehow broad authorities on subjective topics. The real world isn't like that.
Yeah, using the “Census” which defines “Census Tracts,” which defines official state, county, and regional boundaries (in addition to official population and demographic figures) is “an odd ‘fan site’ mindset”…….
I guess it is when it doesn’t benefit your argument
Yeah, using the “Census” which defines “Census Tracts,” which defines official state, county, and regional boundaries (in addition to official population and demographic figures) is “an odd ‘fan site’ mindset”…….
I guess it is when it doesn’t benefit your argument
Dumbest and weakest argument I’ve heard!
Regions are defined by all sorts of factors, including culture, climate, economic bases, and so on. NONE of that has anything to do with how the Census Dept. defines what's the in the South right now. Much of it wasn't relevant even generations ago when they named their regions.
In fact, why would the boundaries be 100% state lines? Do you think regions stop where lines were drawn hundreds of years ago?
Here is growth by race and Hispanic ethnicity by urban area. I'll use the 5-year estimates from 2011-2021.
White Growth
Phoenix: 404,964
Atlanta: 311,297
Denver: 308,194
Pittsburgh: 300,303
Dallas/Fort Worth: 285,837
Austin: 278,803
Charlotte: 274,322
Raleigh: 212,388
Indianapolis: 190,554
Minneapolis/St. Paul: 186,851
Houston: 185,137
Nashville: 177,504
Columbus, OH: 157,937
Las Vegas: 146,330
Tampa: 136,142
San Antonio: 128,792
Washington DC: 119,813
Kansas City: 115,790
Orlando: 106,765
Sacramento: 97,419
Portland, OR: 96,988
Seattle/Tacoma: 94,342
Jacksonville: 91,768
Cincinnati: 87,425
Salt Lake City: 86,459
Richmond: 51,275
Oklahoma City: 49,963
New Orleans: 43,410
Cleveland: 31,119
San Diego: 5,064
St. Louis: 4,852
Memphis: 2,913
Philadelphia: -12,589
Milwaukee: -12,662
Buffalo: -18,233
Chicago: -23,969
San Jose: -26,248
Riverside/San Bernardino: -32,960
Hartford: -33,055
Providence: -35,147
Detroit: -35,470
Bridgeport/Stamford: -37,304
Baltimore: -39,083
Boston: -46,801
San Francisco: -50,850
Virginia Beach: -53,755
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: -110,186
New York City: -221,920
Los Angeles: -249,614
Hispanic Growth
New York City: 720,568
Houston: 600,149
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 560,002
Dallas/Fort Worth: 456,476
Phoenix: 322,378
San Antonio: 302,234
Los Angeles: 273,398
Chicago: 257,874
Riverside/San Bernardino: 253,800
Washington DC: 252,280
Tampa: 219,018
Las Vegas: 210,220
Orlando: 208,560
San Diego: 186,451
Austin: 186,395
Boston: 168,348
Philadelphia: 164,338
Denver: 157,057
Atlanta: 149,808
Sacramento: 120,520
Seattle/Tacoma: 111,770
Charlotte: 83,199
San Francisco: 82,945
Portland, OR: 69,731
Providence: 58,192
Jacksonville: 57,273
Salt Lake City: 55,299
Baltimore: 51,648
Bridgeport/Stamford: 49,085
Oklahoma City: 48,053
Minneapolis/St. Paul: 47,086
Raleigh: 45,033
Indianapolis: 42,828
Kansas City: 40,644
Hartford: 39,489
Virginia Beach: 33,839
Detroit: 37,989
Nashville: 35,203
Milwaukee: 33,258
Columbus, OH: 30,101
Cleveland: 29,360
New Orleans: 26,150
Richmond: 25,855
Cincinnati: 23,943
St. Louis: 17,799
Buffalo: 16,770
Memphis: 15,385
Pittsburgh: 13,655
San Jose: 9,169
Black Growth
Atlanta: 504,463
Dallas/Fort Worth: 271,298
Houston: 213,804
Washington DC: 136,973
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 134,288
Charlotte: 126,739
Las Vegas: 96,584
Minneapolis/St. Paul: 85,489
Orlando: 78,320
Phoenix: 72,672
Columbus, OH: 71,306
Raleigh: 69,694
New Orleans: 66,752
Memphis: 63,783
Tampa: 59,881
Indianapolis: 59,370
Boston: 55,598
Baltimore: 51,280
Jacksonville: 51,029
Seattle/Tacoma: 48,224
Philadelphia: 43,919
Nashville: 42,924
Austin: 35,030
Denver: 34,184
Richmond: 34,049
San Antonio: 33,059
New York City: 32,066
Sacramento: 23,011
Virginia Beach: 22,098
Cincinnati: 18,717
Oklahoma City: 13,470
Riverside/San Bernardino: 11,553
Kansas City: 11,280
Hartford: 10,145
San Diego: 9,826
Providence: 8,710
Portland, OR: 6,617
Salt Lake City: 6,427
Bridgeport/Stamford: 4,514
San Jose: 4,852
Cleveland: 3,945
Milwaukee: 1,694
Pittsburgh: -596
Buffalo: -1,604
St. Louis: -5,611
Detroit: -24,498
San Francisco: -31,380
Los Angeles: -52,285
Chicago: -60,066
Asian Growth
New York City: 437,826
Los Angeles: 279,132
Dallas/Fort Worth: 198,756
Seattle/Tacoma: 193,208
Houston: 188,224
San Jose: 183,149
San Francisco: 176,320
Washington DC: 156,548
Chicago: 142,194
Atlanta: 139,044
Sacramento: 116,677
Boston: 111,604
Las Vegas: 108,953
Philadelphia: 90,167
San Diego: 85,343
Minneapolis/St. Paul: 72,452
Phoenix: 69,986
Detroit: 64,934
Austin: 53,683
Raleigh: 46,541
Charlotte: 45,664
Columbus, OH: 43,204
Riverside/San Bernardino: 43,254
Baltimore: 42,688
Denver: 41,884
Portland, OR: 41,634
Indianapolis: 39,685
Orlando: 34,214
Tampa: 33,284
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 30,693
San Antonio: 27,216
Cincinnati: 22,581
Kansas City: 19,995
Nashville: 19,160
St. Louis: 18,753
Hartford: 18,190
Pittsburgh: 18,113
Jacksonville: 17,627
Milwaukee: 17,595
Richmond: 16,078
Salt Lake City: 15,332
Buffalo: 13,849
Cleveland: 11,285
Bridgeport/Stamford: 9,431
Virginia Beach: 7,889
Oklahoma City: 7,371
Memphis: 7,350
Providence: 6,960
New Orleans: 3,801
Observations:
White growth:
-Atlanta 2nd goes to show that you should think before you type silly stuff like Atlanta is good for black... send like it is good for much more than that.
- Pittsburgh is getting less diverse
Hispanic Growth:
- Houston more than Miami? Thought Houston was losing Mexicans. It sure is making it up from the other Latin countries.
- DC numbers seem low. I thought they would have gotten that much just in central Americans.
Black Growth:
Charlotte and Raleigh look low, New Orleans look high(no puns please) .
Asian Growth:
Miami needs to get in the program if it wants to make diversity claims. If the 3 major metros in the state it gained the least.
I don't think Miami’s diverse Hispanic population makes up for its lukewarm Asian Growth. Miami is often ranked in the 2nd tier for diversity but I would drop it lower. Can't be diverse in 'the America's ' only. DFW was top 5 across all groups. DFW will be considered more diverse than Miami soon
White growth:
-Atlanta 2nd goes to show that you should think before you type silly stuff like Atlanta is good for black... send like it is good for much more than that.
- Pittsburgh is getting less diverse
Hispanic Growth:
- Houston more than Miami? Thought Houston was losing Mexicans. It sure is making it up from the other Latin countries.
- DC numbers seem low. I thought they would have gotten that much just in central Americans.
Black Growth:
Charlotte and Raleigh look low, New Orleans look high(no puns please) .
Asian Growth:
Miami needs to get in the program if it wants to make diversity claims. If the 3 major metros in the state it gained the least.
I don't think Miami’s diverse Hispanic population makes up for its lukewarm Asian Growth. Miami is often ranked in the 2nd tier for diversity but I would drop it lower. Can't be diverse in 'the America's ' only. DFW was top 5 across all groups. DFW will be considered more diverse than Miami soon
Do you have the latest immigration estimated numbers from 2021 to 2022 by state?
On Page 19 I have them by Urban Area.
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