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Dallas - Uptown, Victory Park, Deep Ellum, Knox-Henderson, Lower Greenville, North Oak Cliff/Bishop Arts District — honorable mention - Preston Center (not super urban in form but it is a major office submarket with office high-rises and retail)
Suburb - Las Colinas in Irving is the most urban to me or maybe CityLine in Richardson?
I’ll let y’all decide, because what we may call urban in the sunbelt may vary
Dallas - Uptown, Victory Park, Deep Ellum, Knox-Henderson, Lower Greenville, North Oak Cliff/Bishop Arts District — honorable mention - Preston Center (not super urban in form but it is a major office submarket with office high-rises and retail)
Suburb - Las Colinas in Irving is the most urban to me or maybe CityLine in Richardson?
I’ll let y’all decide, because what we may call urban in the sunbelt may vary.
Yeah, high rise office parks aren't really "urban" to me. Especially when they have large amounts of parking with workers driving back and forth and either eating in their building or walking across the street. And even more true when they are located in suburban locations. These areas can be decently urban if they have residential and then even more so if they have good transit.
Yeah, high rise office parks aren't really "urban" to me. Especially when they have large amounts of parking with workers driving back and forth and either eating in their building or walking across the street. And even more true when they are located in suburban locations. These areas can be decently urban if they have residential and then even more so if they have good transit.
They are plenty urban.
You are just describing the olden days
The topic is about urban not old.
People drive now, get over it.
It's no longer 1600, people need to park.
What you're saying is that those areas don't look like the olden days. Old doesn't mean urban. It just means stuck in the past.
Yeah, high rise office parks aren't really "urban" to me. Especially when they have large amounts of parking with workers driving back and forth and either eating in their building or walking across the street. And even more true when they are located in suburban locations. These areas can be decently urban if they have residential and then even more so if they have good transit.
Which areas are you talking about? The suburbs all have apartments and retail. Las Colinas has a DART Station and CityLine has one U/C, that's expected to be completed in 2026. It's not really easy to make out in a few google streetview links. I just didn't want to flood it with links, so I just posted the landmarks or generally the center of it. If you're talking about Preston Center, then I would agree. It still has a lot of the original suburban infrastructure. It's a very high-end mostly single family area. Except, a long NW Highway. There are condo towers with an apartment tower U/C a long that stretch. There are plans to demolish portions of Preston Center to build more mixed-use development. Hopefully, that will give it more residential density. They just completed a new mixed-use development in Preston Center.
They are plenty urban.
You are just describing the olden days
The topic is about urban not old.
People drive now, get over it.
It's no longer 1600, people need to park.
What you're saying is that those areas don't look like the olden days. Old doesn't mean urban. It just means stuck in the past.
I’m saying that just because buildings are tall doesn’t make them urban if they function in the same way as office parks with shorter buildings. To me it’s about the concentration of people (residents) and amenities. I agree that driving doesn’t necessarily mean that a place is not urban but in the same way being tall doesn’t mean urban.
Which areas are you talking about? The suburbs all have apartments and retail. Las Colinas has a DART Station and CityLine has one U/C, that's expected to be completed in 2026. It's not really easy to make out in a few google streetview links. I just didn't want to flood it with links, so I just posted the landmarks or generally the center of it. If you're talking about Preston Center, then I would agree. It still has a lot of the original suburban infrastructure. It's a very high-end mostly single family area. Except, a long NW Highway. There are condo towers with an apartment tower U/C a long that stretch. There are plans to demolish portions of Preston Center to build more mixed-use development. Hopefully, that will give it more residential density. They just completed a new mixed-use development in Preston Center.
I was referring to the statement that you made about Preston Center and I was also looking at Las Colinas. It was a general point reaponding to your point about not everyone agreeing on what urban means or looks like.
They are plenty urban.
You are just describing the olden days
The topic is about urban not old.
People drive now, get over it.
It's no longer 1600, people need to park.
What you're saying is that those areas don't look like the olden days. Old doesn't mean urban. It just means stuck in the past.
There are newer cities all over the world that aren't plastered with parking lots. America just isn't that urban.
They are plenty urban.
You are just describing the olden days
The topic is about urban not old.
People drive now, get over it.
It's no longer 1600, people need to park.
What you're saying is that those areas don't look like the olden days. Old doesn't mean urban. It just means stuck in the past.
I just assumed it was the suburbs. None of those areas in the city IMO would be classified as an office park -- probably except for Preston Center. It doesn't have a lot of people living within its boundaries, just surrounding it. Uptown is very urban and dense with a density of 21,598.91/sq mi (2014 numbers from Wikipedia). I agree, parking is needed in today's world. Banks wouldn't finance a project without it.
I’m saying that just because buildings are tall doesn’t make them urban if they function in the same way as office parks with shorter buildings. To me it’s about the concentration of people (residents) and amenities. I agree that driving doesn’t necessarily mean that a place is not urban but in the same way being tall doesn’t mean urban.
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I was referring to the statement that you made about Preston Center and I was also looking at Las Colinas. It was a general point reaponding to your point about not everyone agreeing on what urban means or looks like.
Oh ok. I misunderstood . Yeah Las Colinas comprises of office parks
I thought you were referring to all of them in general.
I was referring to the statement that you made about Preston Center and I was also looking at Las Colinas. It was a general point reaponding to your point about not everyone agreeing on what urban means or looks like.
Oh ok then. The Las Colinas Urban Center around Lake Carolyn isn't built out, but they've built a lot of amenities and apartments in the last 10 years. Still some vacant land left and one of the sites is for Well Fargo's new campus. Believe it or not, this area was planned 50 years ago to rival downtown Dallas. We'll see if that actually comes to fruition with the new developments. Right now, it is office park-y until they build it out.
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