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I feel like the murder rate stat is at least slightly misleading in that there's no way of knowing how many of those murders were committed by gang members against gang members.
Also you don't know how many of the murders are actually reported, or if there was even a body. If I was in the business of murdering for drug turf, I'd certainly hide the bodies so the police weren't flocking around costing me money.
Unfortunatey, Oakland has some neighborhoods with very, VERY high homicide rates.
Webster
Population: 4,960
Homicides 2009: 9 Homicides per 100,000: 181.4
Elmhurst Park
Population: 2,917
Homicides 2009: 4 Homicides per 100,000: 137.1
Fremont
Population 5,968
Homicides 2009: 4 Homicides per 100,000: 67.0
Hawthorne(Fruitvale)
Population 3,401
Homicides 2009: 3 Homicides per 100,000: 88.2
Prescott
Population 4,863
Homicides 2009: 4 Homicides per 100,000: 82.2
Mosswood
Population 2,275
Homicides 2009: 3 Homicides per 100,000: 131.8
Actually, I've had some conversations here about how Oakland's flatlands probably have a much higher crime rate than the city-wide numbers(already extremely high) would suggest. This is because a good third of Oakland has very low crime-and so the hills actually offsets the crime rate of the entire city. If weighed separately, East Oakland(Pop 100,000+) would probably have the highest crime rate in the country.
^man, those are some high rates and some tiny neighborhoods...hoods are mostly split up into much larger population groups here in SF (and for those smaller sub-neighborhoods it's basically impossible to find population stats..i'd probably have to add up census tracts and do a little guessing or something. I already have to guess a little with some of the larger districts/neighborhoods too).
To make a closer comparison of a bad area in SF vs. those you listed in Oakland, here's the murder rate of the Sunnydale Projects, in Visitacion Valley (it has a similarly small population group as the Oakland hoods...it's the only project in SF I can find population stats for though):
Sunnydale Projects (pop. 1,700):
2007: 5 murders (294.1/100k residents)
2008: 2 murders (117.6/100k residents)
And here are SF's neighborhoods with the highest murder rates as of 2008, with 2007 numbers too:
^man, those are some high rates and some tiny neighborhoods...hoods are mostly split up into much larger population groups here in SF (and for those smaller sub-neighborhoods it's basically impossible to find population stats..i'd probably have to add up census tracts and do a little guessing or something. I already have to guess a little with some of the larger districts/neighborhoods too).
To make a closer comparison of a bad area in SF vs. those you listed in Oakland, here's the murder rate of the Sunnydale Projects, in Visitacion Valley (it has a similarly small population group as the Oakland hoods...it's the only project in SF I can find population stats for though):
Sunnydale Projects (pop. 1,700):
2007: 5 murders (294.1/100k residents)
2008: 2 murders (117.6/100k residents)
And here are SF's neighborhoods with the highest murder rates as of 2008, with 2007 numbers too:
SF should see a decrease across the board when 2009 ends.
Yes, Oakland's neighborhood boundaries are really small-too small if you ask me. This arborist group back in the 1980s when through the pain-staking process of naming all the city's neighborhoods and I think they went too far. Fruitvale for example is actually several neighborhoods but to us, its one big single area. When trying to pinpoint homicides it can be confusing as to which neighborhood it is cause many occur on major streets that serve as borders between neighborhoods.
Anyway,
the homicides in Oakland seem to be concentrated in some spots one year, and then move to other spots the following year-over and over again. All in the same general areas.
Unfortunatey, Oakland has some neighborhoods with very, VERY high homicide rates.
Webster
Population: 4,960
Homicides 2009: 9 Homicides per 100,000: 181.4
Elmhurst Park
Population: 2,917
Homicides 2009: 4 Homicides per 100,000: 137.1
Fremont
Population 5,968
Homicides 2009: 4 Homicides per 100,000: 67.0
Hawthorne(Fruitvale)
Population 3,401
Homicides 2009: 3 Homicides per 100,000: 88.2
Prescott
Population 4,863
Homicides 2009: 4 Homicides per 100,000: 82.2
Mosswood
Population 2,275
Homicides 2009: 3 Homicides per 100,000: 131.8
Actually, I've had some conversations here about how Oakland's flatlands probably have a much higher crime rate than the city-wide numbers(already extremely high) would suggest. This is because a good third of Oakland has very low crime-and so the hills actually offsets the crime rate of the entire city. If weighed separately, East Oakland(Pop 100,000+) would probably have the highest crime rate in the country.
If you add all those neighborhoods into one it comes out at about 113.9 per 100K. (Approx: 33 murders for 29,000 people) And unless I'm mistaken, I believe you didn't include a few hoods that would have (at least for most years) raised that tally quite a bit, like Brookfield and such?
^man, those are some high rates and some tiny neighborhoods...hoods are mostly split up into much larger population groups here in SF (and for those smaller sub-neighborhoods it's basically impossible to find population stats..i'd probably have to add up census tracts and do a little guessing or something. I already have to guess a little with some of the larger districts/neighborhoods too).
To make a closer comparison of a bad area in SF vs. those you listed in Oakland, here's the murder rate of the Sunnydale Projects, in Visitacion Valley (it has a similarly small population group as the Oakland hoods...it's the only project in SF I can find population stats for though):
Sunnydale Projects (pop. 1,700):
2007: 5 murders (294.1/100k residents)
2008: 2 murders (117.6/100k residents)
And here are SF's neighborhoods with the highest murder rates as of 2008, with 2007 numbers too:
Nice job with the stats/research. Its interesting to see it broken down like that; I know its not easy to find it all. I'm really surprised at Sunnydale only having 2 in '08 within that project. That's a huge improvement and good to hear.
SF should see a decrease across the board when 2009 ends.
Fortunately that's how its looking. I believe it may have dipped this year to a level as low as that of the very late 90s!
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Originally Posted by 18Montclair
Anyway,
the homicides in Oakland seem to be concentrated in some spots one year, and then move to other spots the following year-over and over again. All in the same general areas.
Yeah that does pretty much seem to be the case, but at least West Oakland seemed to have quieted down in the murder department this year last time I checked. I think that Acorn bust may have done some good. I'm just speculating though.
SOme of these rates are kind of iffy though..........If there is a murder in any part in any place of course it would be based on that population within the town....For instance in 2 incidents there were 4 murders in 1 neighborhood of 8000 ppl thats 50 per 100k and the neighborhood is far from bad.....so this can easily be said for some of these places..now if its a notorious neighborhood then yea.....Trinidad in NE D.C 20,000ppl had 22 murders in 08 had to put on police checkpoints so ppl had to explain their reason for coming and going...there was a family from out of town hit in a drive by's just being there ....now thats 1 of many bad neighborhoods in D.C
Last edited by boreatwork; 12-17-2009 at 05:52 PM..
How can you guys go by this information.....If there is a murder in any part of any place of course it would be based on that population within the town....so If there are 2 murders in 1 neighborhood of 5000 ppl that 40 per 100k and the neighborhood might not even be that bad thats just what the stats are saying....This can be applied to any neighborhood where there is a murder
That can be said of many, many neighborhoods.
The crime rate doesnt always tell the whole story.
If you add all those neighborhoods into one it comes out at about 113.9 per 100K. (Approx: 33 murders for 29,000 people) And unless I'm mistaken, I believe you didn't include a few hoods that would have (at least for most years) raised that tally quite a bit, like Brookfield and such?
Yes its astounding.
These areas are not all connected-but from various areas of East Oakland and Mosswood and Prescott which are on the other side of town.
Hawthorne and Fremont are sorta in the geographic center of town.
I suppose the fact that these areas are spread out over the entire flatlands illustrates how crime is also spread out over the entire flat section of Oakland.
Maybe I'll add up all the flats and figure that out. LOL
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I believe it may have dipped this year to a level as low as that of the very late 90s!
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