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View Poll Results: Battle of "number three" US cities: Chicago, SF, DC, Houston or Boston?
Chicago 79 51.97%
SF 18 11.84%
Houston 18 11.84%
Boston 12 7.89%
DC 25 16.45%
Voters: 152. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-01-2009, 07:32 PM
 
Location: West Town, Chicago
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So you're going to sit there and say that the media isn't important? The media controls how the people feel about federal legislature! It doesn't matter how good a politician or lawmaker is unless people know about it. I mean, you can't take a GOVERNMENT class without learning about how the MEDIA affects government. There are whole classes dedicated to the topic! Ever heard of checks and balances? Well that applies to these cities as well, DC keeps LA in check by making laws restricting inappropriate material and LA counters that by projecting its views of those laws to the public.
We're talking about two different kinds of media. News media is centered in Atlanta, Chicago, and most of all, New York. Los Angeles is the home of the Hollywood entertainment media. This is not the kind of media that affects public policy. Sure, film and television producers may have an agenda, but, well, it's different. Not as important as the stuff produced in New York.

Anyone care to elaborate on what I'm saying here? I have to go take the garbage out.

 
Old 06-01-2009, 07:40 PM
 
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Matt,

Your argument is very flawed because you are trying to disconnect DC from its most important industry. The Federal Government! By your argument, we should take the movie industry away from LA, finance, fashion and media from New York. You cannot have it both ways. DC holds the power to many international initiatives that affect the entire world. Why are you having a difficult time digesting this fact.
 
Old 06-01-2009, 07:44 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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So you're going to sit there and say that the media isn't important? The media controls how the people feel about federal legislature! It doesn't matter how good a politician or lawmaker is unless people know about it. I mean, you can't take a GOVERNMENT class without learning about how the MEDIA affects government. There are whole classes dedicated to the topic! Ever heard of checks and balances? Well that applies to these cities as well, DC keeps LA in check by making laws restricting inappropriate material and LA counters that by projecting its views of those laws to the public.
Ads/marketing has a larger center in NYC doesn't it? Los Angeles produces Hollywood schlock (and massive amounts of pornography), which is undoubtedly influential, but I'm not sure about calling it the media capital once we start including web developments, advertisementin various forms, video games, journalism in various forms, publishing, etc. Still, it'd be silly to say LA isn't influential.

As for the posts discounting DC's political power--I'm sure if you're going to eliminate that as absolute criteria, then DC's standings take a huge hit though the fringe benefits of being the capital such as a huge number of highly educated people, fantastically strong cultural institutions, monumental architecture, and a polyglot and multicultural population still stand.

However, the topic creator himself included "DC for its political impact on the planet." If he wants to include that as a factor, then DC goes up considerably.
 
Old 06-01-2009, 07:47 PM
 
Location: West Town, Chicago
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Ads/marketing has a larger center in NYC doesn't it? Los Angeles produces Hollywood schlock (and massive amounts of pornography), which is undoubtedly influential, but I'm not sure about calling it the media capital once we start including web developments, advertisementin various forms, video games, journalism in various forms, publishing, etc. Still, it'd be silly to say LA isn't influential.

As for the posts discounting DC's political power--I'm sure if you're going to eliminate that as absolute criteria, then DC's standings take a huge hit though the fringe benefits of being the capital such as a huge number of highly educated people, fantastically strong cultural institutions, monumental architecture, and a polyglot and multicultural population still stand.

However, the topic creator himself included "DC for its political impact on the planet." If he wants to include that as a factor, then DC goes up considerably.
Well put. Thanks.
 
Old 06-01-2009, 07:53 PM
 
Location: NYC
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Matt,

Your argument is very flawed because you are trying to disconnect DC from its most important industry. The Federal Government! By your argument, we should take the movie industry away from LA, finance, fashion and media from New York. You cannot have it both ways. DC holds the power to many international initiatives that affect the entire world. Why are you having a difficult time digesting this fact.
I'm not trying to separate DC from its most important industry. I know its the capital and I know what goes on there and I still don't consider it to be in the same class as New York or Chicago. It's because the only thing that DC has is the government. New York is the cultural, fashion, media, and financial capital of the United States. New York is America's Paris, London, or Tokyo. I'll say it again - Albany holds the power to many important initiatives that affect the entire state of New York, including NYC. NYC must pay its taxes to Albany and follow the laws laid down in Albany. Does that put Albany above NYC?
 
Old 06-01-2009, 08:03 PM
 
Location: Hell's Kitchen, NYC
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We're talking about two different kinds of media. News media is centered in Atlanta, Chicago, and most of all, New York. Los Angeles is the home of the Hollywood entertainment media. This is not the kind of media that affects public policy. Sure, film and television producers may have an agenda, but, well, it's different. Not as important as the stuff produced in New York.

Anyone care to elaborate on what I'm saying here? I have to go take the garbage out.
Yes, obviously we are talking about two different types of media, but an agenda is an agenda whether its news or entertainment. Movies and TV shows have the ability to change the way people feel about issues, probably less so than news media obviously. However, in response to Spire's broad mention of media, it is influential in either case. See my point?
 
Old 06-01-2009, 08:21 PM
 
Location: West Town, Chicago
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Originally Posted by theSUBlime View Post
Yes, obviously we are talking about two different types of media, but an agenda is an agenda whether its news or entertainment. Movies and TV shows have the ability to change the way people feel about issues, probably less so than news media obviously. However, in response to Spire's broad mention of media, it is influential in either case. See my point?
Yes, I do see your point. Movies may affect how people feel, sure. However, I just cannot agree with the idea that movies are somehow more influential than the news media based in New York and Atlanta. I won't say there is no comparison; there just isn't much of one.

As a rule, "Fahrenheit 9/11" isn't going to change anybody's mind the way the constant dripping of the news will. Case in point? Barack Obama. The man owes his presidency to CNN and MSNBC, and their incredible ability to convince Americans that an unaccomplished man with dubious origins is better suited to be Commander-in Chief than a decorated military veteran, ex-POW, and long-term civil servant. And I'm not even a Republican!
 
Old 06-01-2009, 08:25 PM
 
Location: Hell's Kitchen, NYC
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Yes, I do see your point. Movies may affect how people feel, sure. However, I just cannot agree with the idea that movies are somehow more influential than the news media based in New York and Atlanta. I won't say there is no comparison; there just isn't much of one.
Good...good.

That's. not. what. I was saying.
 
Old 06-01-2009, 08:25 PM
 
Location: West Town, Chicago
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That's. not. what. I was saying.
What we have here is a failure to communicate.
 
Old 06-01-2009, 08:27 PM
 
Location: Hell's Kitchen, NYC
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What we have here is a failure to communicate.
Oooor a failure to read what is written.
Did you, did you miss this part of my post "Movies and TV shows have the ability to change the way people feel about issues, probably less so than news media obviously." I agreed...damn.
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