Dallas Versus Philadelphia: Which City Is More Important? Which City Would You Prefer To Live In? (state, population)

[aceplace]

Originally Posted by PITTSTON2SARASOTA

I'd agree Philly has more than it's share of corruption; but I think so do most cities and our country also....look at the nation's infrastructure.. Bridges for instance!

How can most cities have more than their share of anything?

That's like saying most kids are above average... a mathematical impossibility.

[rainrock]

Originally Posted by johnatl

So I guess that King of Prussia is just an illusion?

Seriously, of course you don't develop protected parklands in the Delaware Valley, but get real. Your metro sprawls every single bit as much as every other major metro.

You need to give the forum more credit for being a little more well traveled than you imagine.

johnatl King of Prussia is a pretty good example of the contained sprawl in the Philly region. To its immediate N sits Valley Forge National Historic, to the S is The 150 yr old affluence of The Main Line, to the E is historic Gulph Mills and ultra urban Conshohocken, and to the W is Pickering Valley which sprawl is a no-no.

There is a fair amount of sprawl happening in South Jersey, not so much in SE Pa.In SE Pa either land has already been developed long ago or the wealthier counties are very cautious about overdevelopment.There is a huge land preservation movement in the wealthier counties, they wont allow zoning for your average (no offense) sunbelt type sprawl.

King of Prussia/Valley Forge




Limited sprawl-Chester Springs to the immediate west of King of Prussia

[SouthmoreAve]

^^^
What a picturesque setting!

[gwillyfromphilly]

Philly Hands down! Its a bigger city and a bigger market! period.
City Population (2010) Metropolitan Population (2010)

Philadelphia Philadelphia
1,600,000 6,600,000

Dallas Dallas
1,279,910 6,300,000

[wpmeads]

Originally Posted by gwillyfromphilly

Philly Hands down! Its a bigger city and a bigger market! period.
City Population (2010) Metropolitan Population (2010)

Philadelphia Philadelphia
1,600,000 6,600,000

Dallas Dallas
1,279,910 6,300,000

I think Dallas is projected to be around 6.5 million in 2010.

[subwayfan]

Originally Posted by rainrock

The catchment area is also considerably larger, like 3x or 4x the land area.

Reading, Trenton, Vineland, Allentown, Dover, Atlantic City, Lancaster all get included in Phillys MSA if Philadelphia were given the lax parameters of the sweeping upstart metroes like Dallas.GDP would be pushing $500M

Lancaster is more tied with Harrisburg, Lebanon and York than Philadephia.

The Lehigh Valley: Allentown-Bethlehem-Easton-Emmaus, doesn't share a whole lot with Philadephia, except that back in the 1950's era, the major network stations, those Philadephia TV stations (owned by the networks) blocked the Lehigh Valley region from attaining their own network affiliates. And the proximity to New York didn't help as well.

So that area is part of the Philadephia TV Market, so Philadephia stands at #4 slightly higher than Dallas, at #6. As a consequence, the Allentown area is Philadephia sports, though some in the Lehigh Valley follow the NY teams, and a lot of growth from the Lehigh Valley stems from people leaving NY/Northern NJ, and not from Philadelphia.

Otherwise there is no mass transit (heavy rail) between Philadephia and Allentown, no real commutership, and they don't read the same newspaper or listen to the same FM.

However, Northern and Central DE (Wilmington, Dover), southern NJ (Camden, Vineland, even Atlantic City) and SE PA probably up to Reading could be linked to Philadelphia, though Dover, Atlantic City and Reading are quite out of the immediate metropolitan area.

Urban Trenton could be linked to Philly, but the wealthier suburban parts of Mercer Co. are more NY, and the Route 1 corridor is more a satellite employment center for NY/Northern NJ than Philadelphia. Mercer Co. is within the Philadephia DMA (TV, print advertising and retail), but part of the NY metro according to Census. Someone stated that those working in the state gov't in Trenton wanted the Census to change Trenton it to be part of the NY region so that they could get raises in salary to be adjusted to the higher cost of living. I wouldn't be surprised given as NJ is such a high cost of living state, and those in public office ensure they get paid well.

[subwayfan]

Philadephia has a nice downtown, but that's fine for perhaps 2-3 years of one's life, while renting a place, and before kids come into the picture.

The other benefit of being in the Delaware Valley is proximity to family. One is within driving distance to NY, Baltimore, DC and train ride to Boston, and a short flight to Boston or No. Carolina.

Other than that, I think Dallas wins in terms of cost of living, business opportunity and milder weather.

[wpmeads]

Originally Posted by rainrock

The catchment area is also considerably larger, like 3x or 4x the land area.

Reading, Trenton, Vineland, Allentown, Dover, Atlantic City, Lancaster all get included in Phillys MSA if Philadelphia were given the lax parameters of the sweeping upstart metroes like Dallas.GDP would be pushing $500M

I'm not too keen on my Northeaster geography, but aren't Dover and Atlantic City a pretty good distance from Philly? By that logic you could include Wichita Falls, Waco, Tyler, and all of the many small towns in North Texas. Then Dallas would also be creeping $500B. I can see the argument for Trenton, but lets keep the discussion fair and reasonable. If you extend the Philadelphia MSA well beyond it's boundaries, you would have to do the same for Dallas as well.

[Cowboys fan in Houston]

Originally Posted by gwillyfromphilly

Philly Hands down! Its a bigger city and a bigger market! period.
City Population (2010) Metropolitan Population (2010)

Philadelphia Philadelphia
1,600,000 6,600,000

Dallas Dallas
1,279,910 6,300,000

Man, you Philly guys are all into the inaccurate figures arent you. More important to try to prove a point and hope nobody questions it than to try and give accurate data, huh?

Here is where we are at for 2008:

Philly: 1.54 million city proper and 5,838,000 Metro
DFW: 1.279 million city proper and 6,300,000 Metro

DFW has grown 22% since 2000 and metro Philly has grown 2.66% since 2000.

[cordtwo]

I choose Dallas any day!