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Why are you even responding to my post when you don't know what was being discussed?
tijlover challenged people in MN to stand outside naked during the winter, so I challenged him to stand outside when it's 115°F in the summer to see which was more bearable. Sunblock, A/C, and swimming pools are precisely the things I was talking about, people adapting their environments to suit themselves rather than the other way around.
If society came screeching to a halt tomorrow and we were left without computers, electricity, running water, and so forth, how do you think AZ would fare compared to MN? If MN gets cold they can chop down a tree and have firewood, if they get thirsty they can drink from the thousands of lakes and rivers in the state. What do you guys do when you have no A/C or natural bodies of water?
Standing outside naked in the winter in MN, you'd be dead very quickly. You probably wouldn't see the 5-6 hour mark. Standing outside in arizona, you'll last about a day or 2 without water and indefinitely if you could find water and food (cacti) so the answer is very clear: arizona. Even in full winter clothing you'd be dead pretty soon in a MN winter, you'll need shelter.
And AZ would fare just fine if society came to a screeching halt. Water can be found in many places but the level of water consumption (such as watering their pristine green lawns) will have to be greatly curtailed. They can build structures just as easy as people can in MN but unlike people in MN they need it less. What remains to be asked is what people in MN will eat in the winter? Most of the native americans in that region were nomads who'd go down south in the winter for food.
Standing outside naked in the winter in MN, you'd be dead very quickly. You probably wouldn't see the 5-6 hour mark. Standing outside in arizona, you'll last about a day or 2 without water and indefinitely if you could find water and food (cacti) so the answer is very clear: arizona. Even in full winter clothing you'd be dead pretty soon in a MN winter, you'll need shelter.
And AZ would fare just fine if society came to a screeching halt. Water can be found in many places but the level of water consumption (such as watering their pristine green lawns) will have to be greatly curtailed. They can build structures just as easy as people can in MN but unlike people in MN they need it less. What remains to be asked is what people in MN will eat in the winter? Most of the native americans in that region were nomads who'd go down south in the winter for food.
??? There's plenty of wildlife that does not die or migrate in the winter. What on Earth are you talking about?!
go ahead, tell me what they ate/ What's this wildlife and fruit/vegetables that could support human life in a MN winter?
Spose you tell us exactly where these natives migrated to during the winter. In your imaginary bizzaro world, did all the
tribes throughout the Northern states all head to Miami Beach for their winter pow wow?
Spose you tell us exactly where these natives migrated to during the winter. In your imaginary bizzaro world, did all the
tribes throughout the Northern states all head to Miami Beach for their winter pow wow?
Maybe the Miami Beach Cotillion lost their reservations...
go ahead, tell me what they ate/ What's this wildlife and fruit/vegetables that could support human life in a MN winter?
Southern and central Minnesota has some of the most fertile farmland in North America, you can grow enough in the summer to last the entire year. If technological society came to an end the Midwest would be one of the best places to be a subsistence farmer because of the richness of the land, it is one of the few places that could probably support its' current population if we went back to medieval farming.
Prior to European settlement in the winter the indians ate buffalo, deer, fish, small game, wild rice, dried berries, corn and squash among other things.
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The deal killer for me with places like Minneapolis and Seattle is the weather..I am a sun worshiper and have lived in places hotter than Phoenix believe it or not in the military..".heck, it's over a 100 where I am here in Denver right now"...to each their own...it's fairly easy in Arizona to retreat to the higher elevations to cool off.
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