What Stereotypes Do You Hear About Cleveland? (Lakewood, London: apartments, rentals)

[costello_musicman]

Originally Posted by canadian citizen

How did I know where the CPD HQ was, if I didn`t walk around the core.........

Methinks that you are trying too hard.

Jim B

How does someone stay in a hotel downtown and not do any research or attempt at research of walk to check out. Looks like you do not "try at all"

Wandering any direction a fwe block would have put you on E.4h or the Warehouse District or Playhouse Square or the Gateway district.

I'll help you out -- next time you're in Cleveland check out Little Italy, Ohio City (brewery district), University Circle (museums and culture), E.4th street, Tremont, or Playhouse Square.

You say "nothing is going on in Cleveland." Would it shock you to know over $6 billion of new construciton happening in the city limits right now?? We're talking a new Casino, Aquarium, Convention Center, 6 hotels, museums, hospitals, conversions to residential, etc) //www.city-data.com/forum/cleve...ns-98.html#977

But Cleveland is no Toronto....not many places are:

Cleveland City : 397,000
Toronto City: 2.6 million

Cleveland metro: 2.2 million
Toronto metro: 6.1 million


EDIT: btw, did you stay at a hotel on Cleveland Clinic campus? There is a Police station over there.

[Cleveland_Collector]

Originally Posted by canadian citizen

How did I know where the CPD HQ was, if I didn`t walk around the core.........

Methinks that you are trying too hard.

Jim B

You sure you weren't in East Cleveland? There isn't a hotel staff anywhere in downtown that would tell you not to walk around after 6. Methinks you are a lying sack...

[andrew61]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

But I don't really understand the Toronto-Cleveland comparison. Why compare the largest city in Canada to the 47th largest city in the USA? You can't really say that the USA is so depressed because you thought Cleveland was boring. Though I would also disagree with that- Cleveland is definitely "booming" in my book! Toronto is cool too, don't get me wrong!

I could easily see someone from Toronto being underwhelmed with Cleveland. Cleveland is more like Buffalo than it is like Toronto.

Even when Cleveland is experiencing a "boom" period, it looks much less impressive when compared to larger, more prominent cities.

A more apt US comparison to Toronto would be Chicago, IMHO.

[Tiger Beer]

Originally Posted by andrew61

I could easily see someone from Toronto being underwhelmed with Cleveland. Cleveland is more like Buffalo than it is like Toronto.

Even when Cleveland is experiencing a "boom" period, it looks much less impressive when compared to larger, more prominent cities.

A more apt US comparison to Toronto would be Chicago, IMHO.

Yeah, I was thinking Toronto and Chicago would make a better comparison.

I'm not a Clevelander, but I've driven through Cleveland many times along the Ohio turnpike with very little desire/interest to veer off and check out Cleveland. (I have checked it out before, but it doesn't draw anyone to it outside of the Rock-N-Roll Museum or somewhere like that for one time).

Toronto or Chicago are certainly bigger draws.

[costello_musicman]

Originally Posted by Tiger Beer

Yeah, I was thinking Toronto and Chicago would make a better comparison.

I'm not a Clevelander, but I've driven through Cleveland many times along the Ohio turnpike with very little desire/interest to veer off and check out Cleveland. (I have checked it out before, but it doesn't draw anyone to it outside of the Rock-N-Roll Museum or somewhere like that for one time).

Toronto or Chicago are certainly bigger draws.

I've never been to the Rock Hall.

I guess I enjoy everything else in Cleveland instead!

[Peregrine]

Originally Posted by canadian citizen

Living in Toronto, we get a lot of the negative stuff about that city, and just last week CBC TV did a five part series about " Depressed American cities " that featured Cleveland.

What the?!?!? How old was the show? Had to be a repeat. Cleveland has been getting national attention for the things we are doing RIGHT here.

The reporter did a tour of the city, and showed the huge number of homes that can't find a buyer, and are being torn down.

Yea, maybe in one or two parts f town. I assure you that is not happening in most of Cleveland. And certainly not in any suburbs of Cleveland.

Building cranes dot the skyline,and construction workers are doing 12 hour days, to keep up with the demand. Re sale homes in Toronto usually sell within the first week on the market. The average sale price in Toronto is about 450,000 dollars. What is it in Cleveland, about 50k ?

Thank god homes are still affordable here. $450,000?!?!? My god that buys a lakefront mansion here!
Recent quote from Cleveland Magazine: Cleveland probably has more cranes dotting our skyline then any other major city in America.[/quote]

I have mad respect for Canada. I love it. I visit at least once a year. Camping in Algonquin. Canadians I meet in general are very nice and always have nice things to say about our fair city. I thought most Toronto-ans had a generally favorable opinion of our city, as we do of theirs. Sad to see that may not be the case....

I was there during the "sars scare" a few years back. People were begging me "tell your friends to come back! We miss you Ohioans vacationing up here!!!'

[andrew61]

Originally Posted by Peregrine

Thank god homes are still affordable here. $450,000?!?!? My god that buys a lakefront mansion here!

Location, Location, Location. Supply and demand and all that.

A big reason Cleveland-area homes are cheap is that the place is overbuilt. You have a city that's shrinking in population, and the greater metro area population is stagnant at best, not growing. Yet they keep building new subdivisions out in the suburban hinterlands.

That results in too much housing for too few people, which results in depressed prices, and leads to abandonment in the least desirable areas.

Cheap housing isn't necessarily a positive thing. Especially when so many Americans depend on building real estate equity for a large percentage of their net worth.

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by andrew61

Location, Location, Location. Supply and demand and all that.

A big reason Cleveland-area homes are cheap is that the place is overbuilt. You have a city that's shrinking in population, and the greater metro area population is stagnant at best, not growing. Yet they keep building new subdivisions out in the suburban hinterlands.

That results in too much housing for too few people, which results in depressed prices, and leads to abandonment in the least desirable areas.

Cheap housing isn't necessarily a positive thing. Especially when so many Americans depend on building real estate equity for a large percentage of their net worth.

I don't know, it has a pretty positive impact on my wallet. And I don't live in an undesirable area.

[andrew61]

Originally Posted by Tiger Beer

Yeah, I was thinking Toronto and Chicago would make a better comparison.

I'm thinking that if one wants to compare Cleveland to a Canadian Great Lakes city, a more apt comparison might be with Hamilton, Ontario.

Wikipedia article on Hamilton, Ontario

[Peregrine]

Originally Posted by andrew61

Cheap housing isn't necessarily a positive thing.

Expensive housing isn't necessarily a positive thing either. If you are relying on the equity in your home to... what, retire?... You're doing it wrong....

$450,000 for an AVERAGE home. $450,000??? So that's roughly a $2,500 house payment after taxes and insurance (in the US). Or you could buy a house in Cleveland for $150,000... a nice house... and have a payment of around $900.
So I could afford to live in Cleveland on a $40,000/year salary where in Toronto I can't even LOOK at a home at that salary and will be renting until I can break the $80,000....

Yes, you can actually find a home in safe decent area of Cleveland for $50,000. House payment? Less then renting. But to judge the entire area because there are cheap houses in a few areas? Ridiculous.
Not to even mention you really cannot compare TOR to CLE as has been already stated, but not just because of population. We have like 50 suburbs here. Toronto has like 10. Completely different.

You WANT to spend $450,000 in the Cleveland area? O trust me brother, you can. That's apparently another difference. I had no idea housing was THAT expensive in TOR. It amazes me that anyone could think that's a GOOD THING. Did we learn nothing from the American housing bubble burst?
People from ALL economic backgrounds can afford to live here. There is something here in a safe area here for the family of 3 scraping by at $40,000 and there is also plenty for the billionaire that wants a penthouse condo or a lakefront home that is half a million++.... a half a million buys quite the nice house here... not your 'average' home...