What Are the Things That Clevelanders Take for Granted? (Congress: theater, college)

[ferraris]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

Trains in the street are not great. They accomplish nothing a bus can't do (and better).

For such a short stretch I think it's better than asking train riders to get off and transfer to a bus.

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by ferraris

For such a short stretch I think it's better than asking train riders to get off and transfer to a bus.

But they'd have to transfer trains anyway.

[ferraris]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

But they'd have to transfer trains anyway.

Not necessarily. That's what I was originally asking, if there was a good path to switch off of the regular blue/green line and head up to UC on the same train. It wouldn't be every Blue/Green train, and maybe it would be considered a new color on the schedules.

Doing that right at King would be a little tricky since the existing tracks are already below street level by that point, but it's certainly possible.

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by ferraris

Not necessarily. That's what I was originally asking, if there was a good path to switch off of the regular blue/green line and head up to UC on the same train. It wouldn't be every Blue/Green train, and maybe it would be considered a new color on the schedules.

Doing that right at King would be a little tricky since the existing tracks are already below street level by that point, but it's certainly possible.

I see. In my dream world, there would be ring line (a la Moscow) that connected Gordon Square, Tremont, Slavic Village, Shaker Square, University Circle and curled back around and hit Asiatown too. But bottom line is that the city population needs to increase 50-100% to make any additional lines even remotely viable, in my opinion. Until then, maybe we could get some increased frequency on what we currently have.

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

I see. In my dream world, there would be ring line (a la Moscow) that connected Gordon Square, Tremont, Slavic Village, Shaker Square, University Circle and curled back around and hit Asiatown too. But bottom line is that the city population needs to increase 50-100% to make any additional lines even remotely viable, in my opinion. Until then, maybe we could get some increased frequency on what we currently have.

At some point in the 21st century, it's likely that autonomous vans, perhaps operating in a spoke-and-hub pattern to rapid (both rail and bus) stations, will provide the type of service that you propose, but without the huge fixed cost of rail rapids, which, unlike autonomous vehicles, have no capability of delivering point-to-point service.

Cleveland's existing rapid infrastructure will give it a significant head-start in implementing such a system.

We likely may be at the nadir of mass transit in Ohio, especially if anti-mass transit Republicans ever lose control of the Ohio legislature.

[Larry Siegel]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

Well, I don't know for a fact, but Cleveland had an expansive streetcar network. Wasn't UC already served without the VS bros?

They also thought Fairmount Circle (my home!) would become a major center of Cleveland, a "Second University Circle": https://clevelandhistorical.org/items/show/417

UC was served but Shaker Heights was not, and there was no UC/SH rail connection that I know of. The Vans' "second UC," which lives on as John Carroll, Laurel, and Hathaway Brown, is very pretty but has no business or cultural life to speak of. Nice idea.

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by Larry Siegel

UC was served but Shaker Heights was not, and there was no UC/SH rail connection that I know of. The Vans' "second UC," which lives on as John Carroll, Laurel, and Hathaway Brown, is very pretty but has no business or cultural life to speak of. Nice idea.

Whatever it's a nice area. Us, hb, jcu, heavy Irish catholic. Not far from the rapid. Not surrounded by the ghetto like university circle is.

[Larry Siegel]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

Whatever it's a nice area. Us, hb, jcu, heavy Irish catholic. Not far from the rapid. Not surrounded by the ghetto like university circle is.

I thought it was heavily Jewish, but yes, it's nice.

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by Larry Siegel

I thought it was heavily Jewish, but yes, it's nice.

Well I grew up there, so I think I know. John Caroll is a Catholic college fyi. Gesu is a large parish. Actually hasn't been very Jewish for a while, might wanna visit sometime before claiming it has no culture.

[ferraris]

Originally Posted by Larry Siegel

The Vans' "second UC," which lives on as John Carroll, Laurel, and Hathaway Brown, is very pretty but has no business or cultural life to speak of. Nice idea.

Nonsense, I find the lawn couches on Warrensville Center Road to be very culturally beautiful.