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I don't think that people who cannot complete the requirements for a college degree should have one. I don't think the reason that they cannot complete the requirements matters. A college degree should represent a minimum level of functioning. If people cannot meet that level then they shouldn't have a degree. Dyscalculia or not.
I have been kind of disturbed by some recent posts where people have said that they did no or possibly could not graduate from college without passing Math, most often Algebra.
That's sad to me. People have different skills and gifts and some people are more Right brained, creative, and language oriented while others are more left brained, mathematically oriented. I know that's terribly;y simplistic, but you get the idea.
Back in the mid 70s through early eighties, there were many good colleges that did not require any mathematics in order to graduate. In fact, it was looking as though General Education, or Distributional Requirements were going to be a thing of the past.
However, at most colleges and universities by the late 80s they were back in full force.
I started wondering if there were, other than Harvard, any 4 year institutions that did not require mathematics and I thought I'd share my initial findings. I still need to completely verify them though.
There are some, but not many. According to what I have read the following schools do not require one Math course in order to graduate -
Earlham
Brown
Hiram
Bard
Evergreen
Kenyon
and Smith
There are colleges that permit a Science Substitution for those with a diagnoses of Dyscauclia. Many people, including the Spell Check on my computer, have never heard of Dyscaculia.
Essentially it's dyslexia but with numbers.
While doing my research I came across some forums where people got down right mean and nasty at the thought that a person could graduate from college with out an understanding of Math. People were calling others "Morons" "Lazy" "hopeless" and worse.
It's funny, we do not ask STEM majors to write a poem or short story in order to graduate. They just need to read one, or several, and write down what they think of it. They need to know a few famous poets and short story writers and the type of literature they write. But, they do not actually need to WORK in prose or poetry. Just know about it.
After all, they are never going to actually need to write a poem, a story or a book. And I agree with that.
However Right Brained folks do not only need to know what calculus, algebra, and trigonometry are, what they are used for and be able to spout off the names of a few famous mathematicians, they need to WORK mathematical problems when in fact they are never going to need to solve an equation or what ever else those people do because I haven't done it or needed it since ...1980 something...
It's not exactly fair.
ANYWAY - Please add to my already scanty list. Really don't want to argue about who needs Math or doesn't. I would just like to compile a list of colleges that don't require math.
You are significantly underselling what STEM students must study. I just looked to be sure, my son had to take 30hrs. of humanities within his biology undergrad course load.
You are significantly underselling what STEM students must study. I just looked to be sure, my son had to take 30hrs. of humanities within his biology undergrad course load.
30 hours of humanities or 30 hours of humanities and social sciences? He took 30 hours of art, philosophy, religion, languages, cultural anthropology, archaeology, and/or literature? That's not the norm.
You are significantly underselling what STEM students must study. I just looked to be sure, my son had to take 30hrs. of humanities within his biology undergrad course load.
It seems most people with humanities majors vastly underestimate how much humanities STEM majors must take as part of the program. Just checked the school daughter just graduated from. It also was 30 hours of lit, foreign language, composition, history, social science, and other liberal arts courses.
30 hours of humanities or 30 hours of humanities and social sciences? He took 30 hours of art, philosophy, religion, languages, cultural anthropology, archaeology, and/or literature? That's not the norm.
Yes, it is.
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Originally Posted by tnff
It seems most people with humanities majors vastly underestimate how much humanities STEM majors must take as part of the program. Just checked the school daughter just graduated from. It also was 30 hours of lit, foreign language, composition, history, social science, and other liberal arts courses.
We-ll, things vary and even if you get out without any math, getting back in might be difficult.
In 1990, I was trying to get into the graduate oceanography program at TAMU and one of the entry courses was something like MATH 600 (or something like that). As I recall, it was a course to enable one to handle the mathematics at the graduate level and it was beyond Calculus III.
As I recall for I didn't make it into the program at all but look at least a little further down the road than just the 3 months after graduation. If in anything else, the mind tends to learn easier when it is in an active academic program as oppose to being out of one for a while.
No, it is not the norm. The degree plan you linked to does not require 30 credits in humanities. It requires 6 credits in written communication, 12 credits in humanities, and foreign language proficiency. Some schools let you double dip, so the foreign language credits can satisfy the foreign language requirement and the humanities requirement. The plan you linked to lets you double dip between distribution and diversity.
It seems most people with humanities majors vastly underestimate how much humanities STEM majors must take as part of the program. Just checked the school daughter just graduated from. It also was 30 hours of lit, foreign language, composition, history, social science, and other liberal arts courses.
That's not 30 credits in humanities. Social science and "other liberal arts" are not humanities. Humanities and social science are not the same thing. Humanities is not synonymous with liberal arts. Humanities is one category of the liberal arts. We don't call all birds chickens, and we don't call turkeys chickens. This is basic knowledge that everyone with a college degree should know. Even Katarina Witt's link has social science and humanities listed as separate categories.
By the way, my degrees are in various social sciences (not humanities), business/computer information systems, and biology. I'm also almost finished with a medical science degree at a Top 35 school. Yet, even I know the difference between humanities and everything else and know that most schools do not require anywhere near 30 humanities credits.
General education requirements are designed to give you a mix of all of the liberal arts: math, natural science, social science, and humanities. So, even non-STEM majors have to take STEM courses.
No, it is not the norm. The degree plan you linked to does not require 30 credits in humanities. It requires 6 credits in written communication, 12 credits in humanities, and a foreign language requirement. Some schools let you double dip, so the foreign language credits can satisfy the foreign language requirement and the humanities requirement.
It seems you are using a very reasonable but narrow definition of humanities and I'm, and some of the others too, are using a more broad definition. I was taught that the humanities include all art, all languages, all history, all philosophy, all religion, all politics, all literature, all law and all human geography..............with human geography pouring over into some economics, some anthropology, some sociology etc. Basically any area of study or significant portions within an area of study in which quantitative analysis does not apply well or at all.
In my book written communication is a humanity, although some technical writing probably isn't. Most everyone would consider foreign languages to fall under the humanities umbrella. The Humanists certainly did.
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