Colleges that do not require Mathematics in order to graduate. (masters degree, master's)
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I am terrible at math. I hated the subject with a passion in high school. I am now in my fourth year of college. My college only requires Stats and an algebra course for those who are in the liberal arts and Nursing/other healthcare majors.
I haven't taken the algebra course but I took the basic statistics and found it to be easy. This is coming from someone who struggled with math for years but was able to pull a solid A in a statistics course.
If one can't pass algebra or a lower level stats course, he or she has no business being there in the first place. Same goes for writing.
Has no business being where? Nursing programs? College in general? Can you clarify?
I'm curious, how have you gotten to your 4th year as a nursing major (BSN?) without having taken the algebra already? Isn't it a pre-req for many of your other courses? Not questioning you, just surprised from what I have researched for BSN programs here (as well as 2 year nursing programs). College algebra is usually a pre-req for chemistry and bio courses that are then pre-reqs for other bio courses so it seems like not taking algebra early on would screw up sequencing.
What if you take it and find out it is very hard for you? I have talked to many people who found stats relatively easy but algebra not so much, for whatever reason, yet in my program (Psychology), the algebra is a pre-req for the required stats.
Has no business being where? Nursing programs? College in general? Can you clarify?
I'm curious, how have you gotten to your 4th year as a nursing major (BSN?) without having taken the algebra already? Isn't it a pre-req for many of your other courses? Not questioning you, just surprised from what I have researched for BSN programs here (as well as 2 year nursing programs). College algebra is usually a pre-req for chemistry and bio courses that are then pre-reqs for other bio courses so it seems like not taking algebra early on would screw up sequencing.
What if you take it and find out it is very hard for you? I have talked to many people who found stats relatively easy but algebra not so much, for whatever reason, yet in my program (Psychology), the algebra is a pre-req for the required stats.
Yes, I know they vary. I was wondering about that specific poster's sequencing, since she said algebra is required, usually it's required based on being a pre-req for other needed science courses and she said she is in her 4th year. So I was just curious.
Even in my general BA psych degree plan, algebra is needed before taking introductory psy stats and then there is another psy stats after so it is 3 semesters consecutively. When I was previously a health professions major then I would have had to do the math (ha!) way back at the beginning to progress forward into the health related pre-reqs for the same sequencing reasons. Now, if i were pursuing an English degree I could put the math off until my senior year, probably, since most other classes wouldn't be dependent on passing it first.
I have been kind of disturbed by some recent posts where people have said that they did no or possibly could not graduate from college without passing Math, most often Algebra.
That's sad to me. People have different skills and gifts and some people are more Right brained, creative, and language oriented while others are more left brained, mathematically oriented. I know that's terribly;y simplistic, but you get the idea.
Back in the mid 70s through early eighties, there were many good colleges that did not require any mathematics in order to graduate. In fact, it was looking as though General Education, or Distributional Requirements were going to be a thing of the past.
However, at most colleges and universities by the late 80s they were back in full force.
I started wondering if there were, other than Harvard, any 4 year institutions that did not require mathematics and I thought I'd share my initial findings. I still need to completely verify them though.
There are some, but not many. According to what I have read the following schools do not require one Math course in order to graduate -
Earlham
Brown
Hiram
Bard
Evergreen
Kenyon
and Smith
There are colleges that permit a Science Substitution for those with a diagnoses of Dyscauclia. Many people, including the Spell Check on my computer, have never heard of Dyscaculia.
Essentially it's dyslexia but with numbers.
While doing my research I came across some forums where people got down right mean and nasty at the thought that a person could graduate from college with out an understanding of Math. People were calling others "Morons" "Lazy" "hopeless" and worse.
It's funny, we do not ask STEM majors to write a poem or short story in order to graduate. They just need to read one, or several, and write down what they think of it. They need to know a few famous poets and short story writers and the type of literature they write. But, they do not actually need to WORK in prose or poetry. Just know about it.
After all, they are never going to actually need to write a poem, a story or a book. And I agree with that.
However Right Brained folks do not only need to know what calculus, algebra, and trigonometry are, what they are used for and be able to spout off the names of a few famous mathematicians, they need to WORK mathematical problems when in fact they are never going to need to solve an equation or what ever else those people do because I haven't done it or needed it since ...1980 something...
It's not exactly fair.
ANYWAY - Please add to my already scanty list. Really don't want to argue about who needs Math or doesn't. I would just like to compile a list of colleges that don't require math.
Interesting as it is to talk about how much math is needed in different careers, that's not really what the OP is looking for in this thread.
Interesting as it is to talk about how much math is needed in different careers, that's not really what the OP is looking for in this thread.
So are we just supposed to be making a list, or what? The OP brought up a number of points in the OP, such as this one which I disagree with:
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It's funny, we do not ask STEM majors to write a poem or short story in order to graduate. They just need to read one, or several, and write down what they think of it. They need to know a few famous poets and short story writers and the type of literature they write. But, they do not actually need to WORK in prose or poetry. Just know about it.
I think virtually ALL colleges/universities require freshman writing courses, which include a variety of written work.
So are we just supposed to be making a list, or what? The OP brought up a number of points in the OP, such as this one which I disagree with:
I think virtually ALL colleges/universities require freshman writing courses, which include a variety of written work.
Which may be why there aren't a lot of names being added to the list. Sometimes you just don't respond to a thread because you don't have anything to add. That's okay too.
And I agree that she should not have added the extraneous controversial remarks in the OP, but because of a conversation I've had with the OP, I know that now she wants to just go with "the list".
Scripps Womens College (offers nontraditional math requirements)
Pomona College (ditto)
Occidental College (ditto....nontraditional math requirements, like a computer science course).
This is just off the top of my head. Will look for other for students out here on CD.
Scripps Womens College (offers nontraditional math requirements)
Pomona College (ditto)
Occidental College (ditto....nontraditional math requirements, like a computer science course).
This is just off the top of my head. Will look for other for students out here on CD.
So are we just supposed to be making a list, or what? The OP brought up a number of points in the OP, such as this one which I disagree with:
I think virtually ALL colleges/universities require freshman writing courses, which include a variety of written work.
Have you seen what passes for writing in Freshman comp courses? Many 5th graders could do the same.
Comp. should be easier for Freshman in college. We all speak and read. There is nothing new about that.
Few people do equations in their spare time. The "novelty" of math combined with the fact that like it of not math, and particularly Algebra, are disliked by so many people.
English , in our country, speaking writing and reading are the currency of learning.
Math is not.
They are different fundamentally as to their place in education. One is needed, the other is optional/
I graduated from college only taking "Statistics for Sociology" .
I went on to become the CEO of my own business and a six figure earner.
Many liberal arts and social science majors also do well in life.
My father in law was a history major and was, until his retirement a six figure earner.
In many old American families, History, English lit, Art History and Foreign languages are stressed because they are helpful socially and in business. Business is frequently learned on the job from father to son or daughter. Perhaps an economics course or two, but that's it.
Both my wife and I took Econ in college. No math involved. Theory and papers. Lots of them.
Off topic: I'm always shocked at the spelling/grammar/word usage errors I see online by newspaper journalists. Do they not have copy editors anymore? And do people really graduate from journalism school with mediocre spelling, grammar, and vocabulary? I think it's a sad commentary on our educational system. When I went to college in the 70s, you WOULD NOT have graduated from journalism school making the kinds of mistakes I see in online newspapers. It's sad.
On topic: I can read literature, I can write, I can spell, I can use grammar correctly, but I'm no good at math. I try to remember that when I see journalists making stupid mistakes. But then, I wouldn't (couldn't) get an accounting degree and expect to be ann accountant. And if you can't spell or research to make sure you have everything correct, and you don't know the difference between in lieu and in view (just one example), you have no business being a journalist.
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