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I was wondering the same. SUNY actually expels people. The don't need the money. They have the brains.
Well, considering SUNY is paid for by taxpayer money, I suppose they don't need the money from the students themselves. The state income tax and property tax in NY are paying for these universities. The high tax rate in NY is one of the many reasons so many of it's cities are losing population.
Then you haven't been working in my field - or paying attention.
I don't know if things have changed in the last 20 years, but at my high school, Binghamton, Buffalo and Stony Brook were considered safeties. I don't know if there are any high schools in California that would consider Cal a safety school, not even Whitney HS in Cerritos or The Palo Alto high schools. I have a great deal of respect for the SUNY's, but I just wouldn't compare them to Cal.
I don't know if things have changed in the last 20 years, but at my high school, Binghamton, Buffalo and Stony Brook were considered safeties. I don't know if there are any high schools in California that would consider Cal a safety school, not even Whitney HS in Cerritos or The Palo Alto high schools. I have a great deal of respect for the SUNY's, but I just wouldn't compare them to Cal.
People use Cal as a safety.
People in California typically don't because when you apply, if you want to apply to one UC or all of them (UCLA, UCSD, etc), then all you have to do is check a box. I applied to UCLA just for kicks even though I had absolutely no intention of going there.
But people from out of state use Cal as a safety. A couple of my friends did.
Of course, we're talking about top, top students. The same guys could have used Cornell as a safety too, although it might not have been the wisest move, they would have gotten in.
People in California typically don't because when you apply, if you want to apply to one UC or all of them (UCLA, UCSD, etc), then all you have to do is check a box. I applied to UCLA just for kicks even though I had absolutely no intention of going there.
But people from out of state use Cal as a safety. A couple of my friends did.
Of course, we're talking about top, top students. The same guys could have used Cornell as a safety too, although it might not have been the wisest move, they would have gotten in.
The Ivies are "safeties" if your parents are celebrities or if you yourself were a child star. Or you are a legacy. I'd also include the former Seven Sisters in that group.
Among my favorite groups of colleges are the ones that I listed before, especially those in the "Oberlin Group".
Ivies don't impress me, and actually I am a "legacy" at three - including a Seven Sister's school. Predictably, I was accepted into the two that I applied to out of high school. I did not have an interest in either.
I also think that the Mid-West has a huge number of truly elite, and interesting colleges and universities that are frequently ignored by people on the coasts and celebs.
I LOVE the seven sister schools (well most of them anyway). Those are some fantastic schools. There are also a lot of underrated schools that are primarily known within a region - like say Pomona College or Occidental in California or Miami U in the Midwest... Or really half of the top liberal arts colleges... That are just incredible schools but they get overlooked due to lack of name recognition in the general populace.
Well, considering SUNY is paid for by taxpayer money, I suppose they don't need the money from the students themselves. The state income tax and property tax in NY are paying for these universities. The high tax rate in NY is one of the many reasons so many of it's cities are losing population.
And why SUNY colleges are as good as they are and are recognized world wide.
Can't argue about the taxes, though. I live in the Mid West now for that very reason.
I LOVE the seven sister schools (well most of them anyway). Those are some fantastic schools. There are also a lot of underrated schools that are primarily known within a region - like say Pomona College or Occidental in California or Miami U in the Midwest... Or really half of the top liberal arts colleges... That are just incredible schools but they get overlooked due to lack of name recognition in the general populace.
I agree Tina, about colleges in the Midwest, and to a lesser degree, the West.
The Seven Sisters once performed a social function, not only an educational function. They were created to educate young women, but they were also the place where upper to upper middle class young woman could meet the "right kind of man". Someone from a similar family. Upper crust.
Their heyday was in the 1920s through early 1960s. By the mid 60s, more women wanted to be educated in co-educational institutions.
By the time I applied to college, my mother had an almost pathological desire that I attend the Sister that she did. I had no interest. It had gone co-ed about ten years earlier. But it was still heavily female.
Many of the first men to attend were Gay. I am not Gay and I had a healthy interest in the opposite sex.
I think that the Sisters that remain women's colleges have a high percentage of Lesbian students. Also, students that come from cultures that are very conservative, with parents who are frightened that their daughters will engage in per-marital sex.
My daughter and her cousin and mt sister visited a few of them two years ago. That was my observation, especially at two. There were many openly Gay women, with extreme butch attire.
Also, many foreign students who seemed to stick together.
I also do not believe that young women "learn better" in an environment without men. When the graduate they live in a world that is "co-ed". They need to learn to compete in that world.
The Seven Sisters were a place where proper WASP young women could obtain a BA while learning the rules of etiquette, and spend a year abroad.
There were Sister colleges for non Protestant girls also. Catholics, and to a lesser extent Jews, had colleges where their bright daughters could learn - and meet suitable men.
The Catholic Church had Manhattanville College of the Sacred Heart (now Manhattanville and co-ed) The Marymounts - the most prestigious one was absorbed into Fordham and then closed, College of Mount St, Vincent - all in New York.
The Boston Catholics had Emanuel and Our Lady of the Elms. Chestnut Hill served smart Catholic girls in Philadelphia.
There are several that served Jewish young women - Audrey Cohen College and Stern College for Women.
I have done quite a bit of study into this phenomena.
I'm interested in why you like these colleges?
PS - there were also the "Silly Sisters" for not so smart, but upper crust female students.
And why SUNY colleges are as good as they are and are recognized world wide.
Can't argue about the taxes, though. I live in the Mid West now for that very reason.
I'm a world traveler and I've never heard any SUNY school mention in a conversation. Just Ivies/Elite's and prestigious business schools in Europe like LBS. Not saying SUNY's suck or anything it's just not something people bring up internationally. Only time it really comes up is in this forum.
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And that's the first time I've seen Binghamton and Berkley in the same list. Probably won't stop laughing for a while now.
Then you probably haven't heard the term "public ivies" before either...
There were originally 8 schools listed as "public ivies", the original 8 didn't include SUNY Binghamton but did include Cal....Binghamton was listed as one of the few "worthy runners up" to the original 8.
So, Cal and SUNY Binghamton are not as far apart as you believe....
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