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Old 10-12-2018, 10:34 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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Such blustering as this only reveals how deeply you remain seething over the stats presented on another thread months ago, wherein I demonstrated that Cincinnati possessed Ohio's largest downtown population. However, in light of Cleveland's resurgence of downtown development, all those figures may soon change. Therefore, in the interim until updated factual information is made public, I suggest you refrain from such reckless rhetoric as evidenced above.
My Gawd, you are truly delusional enough to believe your very own lies and misinformation, Motorman.

Substantiated FACTS and figures on the residential population of Ohio's 3 largest cities "Downtown's" has been shared by numerous people including me.

Here's the PECKING order according to the latest census figures:

#1 Downtown Cleveland - By far the largest of all 3-C's when it comes to residential population, growth, and NEW development.

http://www.downtowncleveland.com/live/facts-figures

The population of Downtown Cleveland has already eclipsed 18,000 residents.

#2 Downtown Columbus - Not even close to the population of Downtown Cleveland.

#3 Downtown Cincinnati - A very distant third place with fewer than 8,000 residents in the city center.

You are AWARE that even the official website touting Downtown Cincinnati listed the population of the city center around 8,000 some people??? (Just a few month's ago, it listed that paltry figure)

https://www.downtowncincinnati.com/e...iving-downtown

Amazingly, they've now fictionalized and bloated those figures to around 13,000? In just 3 month's time?? Not likely.



Go ahead, continue to disseminate misinformation. I'll continue to deal with reality and blatantly accurate facts.

The only person blustering in this thread is yourself, look in a mirror.

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Old 10-13-2018, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Cincinnati (Norwood)
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^ I'm tired of playing with you. Your links do not support your claims and, at best, are merely hopeful projections.
In contrast, my links speak for themselves and are all credible sources.
Examine them for yourself before you go any farther off the deep end.


CLEVELAND (2017)
http://www.downtowncleveland.com/get...-Annual-Report
2017 Annual Report | Downtown Cleveland Alliance
15,000-15,100 total residents. (See pgs. 6,7,18 and 19 of first link above.)
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CINCINNATI (2017)
https://www.downtowncincinnati.com/docs/default-source/stakeholder-docs/sod_2018_low-res.pdf?sfvrsn=d6718c49_8
https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinna...sidential.html
17,395 total residents. (See pg. 22, plus Independent Auditor's Report, pg. 46 of first link above.)

CINCINNATI (2016)
https://www.downtowncincinnati.com/d...d.pdf?sfvrsn=2
https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinna...-grown-in.html
17,717 total residents. (See pg. 22, plus Independent Auditor's Report, pg. 46 of first link above.)

CINCINNATI (2015)
https://www.downtowncincinnati.com/d...f-downtown.pdf
https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinna...cinnati-s.html
15,933 total residents. (See pg. 20, plus Independent Auditor's Report, pg. 44 of first link above.)

CINCINNATI (2014)
https://www.downtowncincinnati.com/d...rsn=dc6d8849_4
15,500 total residents. (See pg. 20, plus Independent Auditor's Report, pg. 44)


The only conclusion that can be drawn is that Cincinnati's downtown population currently exceeds that of Cleveland and has done so at least since 2014.
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Old 10-13-2018, 10:00 AM
 
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I don't spend much time in the Cleveland forums, but do Columbus posters post a lot in that forum? It's strange that Cleveland posters are so obsessed with Columbus, and constantly feel the need to belittle it. Most Clevelanders I know that have moved here seem quite happy, and there certainly are a ton of them (seriously, half of the people in my office are from NEO).
I honestly don’t remember the last time I posted there. This stuff really only goes one way. Columbus is living rent free in the minds of many.
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Old 10-13-2018, 10:14 AM
 
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In relation to the downtown population debate, a few questions for all...
- What do you consider to be the boundary of “downtown” in your respective cities? Perhaps a lot of the argument revolves around different standards of measurement. Are there any agree-upon definitions? For Columbus, I would say the area bounded by 315, 670, 71 and 70, but others may use the river as the western boundary. Others still might include immediately adjacent neighborhoods. Which is correct? Which is correct for your cities? It all seems a little too subjective.
- My second question is why all the importance placed on that area to begin with? A strong downtown is unquestionably important, but it’s just one neighborhood in a city of many. All neighborhoods deserve some level of attention, as a strong downtown, but crappy or declining surrounding neighborhoods still hurts the city overall. All 3-Cs are seeing improved downtowns, so I would argue the level of revitalization going on outside of them is what really sets them apart at this point in time.
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Old 10-13-2018, 11:43 AM
 
Location: cleveland
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Originally Posted by motorman View Post
^ I'm tired of playing with you. Your links do not support your claims and, at best, are merely hopeful projections.
In contrast, my links speak for themselves and are all credible sources.
Examine them for yourself before you go any farther off the deep end.


CLEVELAND (2017)
http://www.downtowncleveland.com/get...-Annual-Report
2017 Annual Report | Downtown Cleveland Alliance
15,000-15,100 total residents. (See pgs. 6,7,18 and 19 of first link above.)
__________________________________________________ ________________________



CINCINNATI (2017)
https://www.downtowncincinnati.com/docs/default-source/stakeholder-docs/sod_2018_low-res.pdf?sfvrsn=d6718c49_8
https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinna...sidential.html
17,395 total residents. (See pg. 22, plus Independent Auditor's Report, pg. 46 of first link above.)

CINCINNATI (2016)
https://www.downtowncincinnati.com/d...d.pdf?sfvrsn=2
https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinna...-grown-in.html
17,717 total residents. (See pg. 22, plus Independent Auditor's Report, pg. 46 of first link above.)

CINCINNATI (2015)
https://www.downtowncincinnati.com/d...f-downtown.pdf
https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinna...cinnati-s.html
15,933 total residents. (See pg. 20, plus Independent Auditor's Report, pg. 44 of first link above.)

CINCINNATI (2014)
https://www.downtowncincinnati.com/d...rsn=dc6d8849_4
15,500 total residents. (See pg. 20, plus Independent Auditor's Report, pg. 44)


The only conclusion that can be drawn is that Cincinnati's downtown population currently exceeds that of Cleveland and has done so at least since 2014.
With all due respect Motorman.you're downtown Cincinnati population figure includes OTR, Pendleton and the Eastend.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/mon...lux/555336002/
The actual Cincinnati CBD population is just under 5000.

https://statisticalatlas.com/neighbo...ict/Population
Cleveland central business district population is currently around 17,500. With the goal to reach 20,000 in two years and goal of 30,000 population within 12 years.
Report shows demand for 6,800 more homes in downtown Cleveland by 2030 | cleveland.com
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Old 10-13-2018, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Cleveland and Columbus OH
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In relation to the downtown population debate, a few questions for all...
- What do you consider to be the boundary of “downtown” in your respective cities? Perhaps a lot of the argument revolves around different standards of measurement. Are there any agree-upon definitions? For Columbus, I would say the area bounded by 315, 670, 71 and 70, but others may use the river as the western boundary. Others still might include immediately adjacent neighborhoods. Which is correct? Which is correct for your cities? It all seems a little too subjective.
- My second question is why all the importance placed on that area to begin with? A strong downtown is unquestionably important, but it’s just one neighborhood in a city of many. All neighborhoods deserve some level of attention, as a strong downtown, but crappy or declining surrounding neighborhoods still hurts the city overall. All 3-Cs are seeing improved downtowns, so I would argue the level of revitalization going on outside of them is what really sets them apart at this point in time.
I think downtowns in any city are overrated. They are always the most transient, least unique personality parts of any city.
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Old 10-13-2018, 04:06 PM
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Why do people overvalue quantity over quality? I don’t care if city A has more people that city B...what is the QUALITY of those residing there? What % are hard working, American tax paying citizens opposed to say, lazy bums looking for a handout? Stop looking at the cover and open the book to see what is inside.
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