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ok... so you're telling me that Vick's mom told him it was ok to brutalize weaker creatures??
sorry, I don't buy it.....
they KNEW what they were doing was wrong so they concealed it in the woods at the back of his property.... if they thought that what they were doing to these dogs was A-OK, they wouldn't have concealed it, would they??
which takes us back to this: anyone who knows brutalizing and torturing dogs is WRONG, and yet still does it has a SERIOUS character flaw and should never be allowed around animals again for as long as they live....
and should have to experience at least SOME of what they subjected those dogs to.... maybe not all of it.... because after all, many of them died from the torture...
ok... so you're telling me that Vick's mom told him it was ok to brutalize weaker creatures??
sorry, I don't buy it.....
Is that what I said? Talk about taking poetic licenses.
You are so out of touch with people who grow up in these type of environments, it's laughable some of the things you have suggested her. You are talking as though a parent is the only person that influences these young kids.
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they KNEW what they were doing was wrong so they concealed it in the woods at the back of his property.... if they thought that what they were doing to these dogs was A-OK, they wouldn't have concealed it, would they??
People who go out and rob people, know that they are doing something wrong, yet they still do it. It's not a matter of thinking it's okay, it's human nature to rationalize doing something that you believe you can get away with and may benefit you ($$$). It's not an excuse for his actions, but honestly your logic doesn't make sense. People don't stop committing crimes just because they know it's wrong. People commit crimes all the time knowing they are wrong. It's about being conditioned that the risk is greater than the reward. Everyone doesn't necessarily see this as wrong thinking which is why we have a society with consequences.
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which takes us back to this: anyone who knows brutalizing and torturing dogs is WRONG, and yet still does it has a SERIOUS character flaw and should never be allowed around animals again for as long as they live....
and should have to experience at least SOME of what they subjected those dogs to.... maybe not all of it.... because after all, many of them died from the torture...
I don't completely disagree with your first point. He WAS wrong. We all have serious character flaws but that doesn't mean we can't change. If you believe in rehabbing dogs, why can't you rehab people too? That doesn't mean he has to be around animals again but he can at least change his thinking about the idea of abusing animals. I believe that has happened in at least some way.
Do you believe a person can be rehabilitated from what you describe as "SERIOUS" character flaws?
notice the smirk on the one that got away with it......
You have issues.
You took a picture that had absolutely nothing to do with this conversation (him on a football field, not around dogs) to illustrate your point, yet when I ask you a question that I believe is relevant, you say it is not?
that is a picture of one of his dogs and that is a picture of him.... how is it not relevant??
and my views on abortion have not a thing to do with my views on animal cruelty......
just as I don't believe a pedophile can be "cured" or rehabilitated, I don't believe that someone who takes pleasure from inflicting pain and torture on more vulnerable creatures can be "cured" or rehabilitated.... Oh, they may never do the behavior again, but the propensity is still there... lurking just beneath the surface.....
I wouldn't trust any of my dogs with a "reformed" dog fighter any more than you would trust your children to a reformed pedophile (at least I HOPE)....
and someone who commits either of those behaviors is seriously damaged and flawed enough that they will never be redeemed in my eyes.....
I am not avoiding the question.... it is not germane to the discussion and is off-topic. It is MY CHOICE to not answer it....
don't see Bieber brutalizing dogs, do you??
growing up poor does not excuse that sort of behavior and obvious lack of character.....
and by the time he STARTED the kennel, he was far far from poor and had been quite comfortably situated for quite some time....
so again, that red herring doesn't swim either.....
It's funny how you had no problem talking about Bieber even though that point is somewhat irrelevant to the conversation, but when I asked you about your views on abortion, you said you wouldn't answer it because you thought it was not relevant. Seems like somebody doesn't want to admit that they believe in protecting the life of dog, but not the life of a human.
that is a picture of one of his dogs and that is a picture of him.... how is it not relevant??
Because you commented on the picture as though he was smiling about what he did to the dogs, when really it was a picture of him on a football field. Him smiling on a football field, has nothing to do with the dog on the left.
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just as I don't believe a pedophile can be "cured" or rehabilitated, I don't believe that someone who takes pleasure from inflicting pain and torture on more vulnerable creatures can be "cured" or rehabilitated.... Oh, they may never do the behavior again, but the propensity is still there... lurking just beneath the surface.....
So a dog can be "cured" or rehabilitated but not a person from torturing animals?
It's funny how you had no problem talking about Bieber even though that point is somewhat irrelevant to the conversation, but when I asked you about your views on abortion, you said you wouldn't answer it because you thought it was not relevant. Seems like somebody doesn't want to admit that they believe in protecting the life of dog, but not the life of a human.
You held JB out as an example of a person behaving badly because of a lack of guidance.... I merely pointed out the obvious....
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Because you commented on the picture as though he was smiling about what he did to the dogs, when really it was a picture of him on a football field. Him smiling on a football field, has nothing to do with the dog on the left.
So a dog can be "cured" or rehabilitated but not a person from torturing animals?
Unfortunately, not all dogs can be rehabilitated.... some are just too damaged, either organically or through brutal treatment at the hands of humans....
what YOU are failing to acknowledge is my point that yes, maybe that damaged, evil human never ever ever commits the behaviors again... but the propensity is there and always will be..... a person who takes pleasure in brutalizing and torturing is not worthy of one iota of my respect.... EVER....
and I am not afraid to "admit" anything.... I have had a LOT of years to form my opinions and I am fine with them.... there just is no link between your ridiculous question and the topic of this thread.....
why would I be afraid??
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