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Old 04-02-2015, 04:18 AM
 
Location: Subconscious Syncope, USA (Northeastern US)
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I guess it just proves maybe there really is a "Book of Life" somewhere out there, and although a transplant can prolong your life for many years, in some cases, when your number is up, its simply your time to go. I remember, when I was a kid, my grandfather's relatively fatalistic saying, "If the good Lord wants me, he's going to take me."

Philosophy aside, maybe the only reason he had changed his lifestyle was because his failing health left him no choice; and, the transplant made it possible for him to go back to his old ways once again.

I think even convicted murders deserve a life-saving organ, if there is no one else that can use such a selflessly offered gift.

In either case, it shouldnt be wasted or taken for granted.
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Old 04-02-2015, 04:36 AM
 
Location: Fuquay Varina
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I think even convicted murders deserve a life-saving organ, if there is no one else that can use such a selflessly offered gift.


Wow really? Why would you give a good heart to someone who has little regard for life? A CONVICTED murderer should be the very last person to get a heart imo.
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Old 04-02-2015, 05:05 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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The guy didn't die from reckless behavior. He died from criminal behavior. After he shot at an old lady after breaking into her home, he died during a high speed police chase.
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Old 04-02-2015, 05:24 AM
 
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No convicted criminals should get organs, no matter what their age. Very few criminals ever change their ways.
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Old 04-02-2015, 05:48 AM
 
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I would contend that the actions of the guy in the OP were far less harmful than the acts of someone like Bernie Madoff. Thousands of lives (and families) were ruined by Madoff and those effects will be felt for decades.
Ummmmm.......you would be wrong.

A. No one was physically hurt by Madoff unlike Stoke's two victims who are currently hospitalized.
B. Madoff's "victims" were made whole by the trustee in regards to their original investment so while they didn't reap their crazy returns, they didn't actually lose the money they actually invested.
C. This guy took a heart from someone more deserving of the transplant which is the real travesty here.
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Old 04-02-2015, 07:06 AM
 
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No convicted criminals should get organs, no matter what their age. Very few criminals ever change their ways.
It depends on the crime in my opinion, but I did know a young man (husband of a co-worker) with Hep-C in liver failure, who was unable to get on the transplant list because he didn't have insurance. He died a few years ago at the age of 30. If that young father of two couldn't get on it, then I damn sure don't think a convicted murderer should be on it.
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Old 04-02-2015, 08:01 AM
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Location: Pittsburgh
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I wanted him to get the heart initially because I feared (and still fear) the slippery slope tied to only giving "good" people organ transplants. What a complete waste.
I think we already gave a heart transplant to a horrible person in Dick Cheney. Guess this makes two that we know about. Wow, what a waste of a heart, but it goes to show you how misguided these wacko civil rights groups are!
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Old 04-02-2015, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Fuquay Varina
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I think we already gave a heart transplant to a horrible person in Dick Cheney. Guess this makes two that we know about. Wow, what a waste of a heart, but it goes to show you how misguided these wacko civil rights groups are!

Well at least one of them paid taxes and contributed to society. The other one was more of a burden on society imo. Wasting police time and resources.
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Old 04-02-2015, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Staten Island
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I remember hearing about this story when he was denied the operation....I can't recall what my feelings were about him being denied back than. Clearly the hospital, doctors and insurance company were within they're rights to deny this person the operation citing bad behavior and he wasn't a contributing member of society. It's sad to thing that someone who truly needed that heart wound up not getting it and quote possibly died.
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Old 04-02-2015, 09:47 AM
 
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i feel bad for the organ donor too. what's the point in donating your organs if they're going to be figuratively thrown in the trash?
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