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Old 04-11-2015, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Wrong on both accounts. Specifically in SC.
SECTION 15-1-310. Liability for emergency care rendered at scene of accident.

Any person, who in good faith gratuitously renders emergency care at the scene of an accident or emergency to the victim thereof, shall not be liable for any civil damages for any personal injury as a result of any act or omission by such person in rendering the emergency care or as a result of any act or failure to act to provide or arrange for further medical treatment or care for the injured person, except acts or omissions amounting to gross negligence or wilful or wanton misconduct.

HISTORY: 1962 Code Section 46-803; 1964 (53) 2164.
i.e. You are not required to give aid. Second, you can still be sued for negligence of wilfull or wanton misconduct. In my post I clearly stated.... "If They Die". Being sued doesn't mean you will lose in court but that is irrelevant to point made.
How am I wrong on both counts when you just posted a section that has the language normally found in a good Samaritan act? And as far as the responsibility for first responders to render aid, I was already told by someone on this forum that N. Charleston PD Officers don't even learn first aid, seems bizarre but I guess it's up to members of the community to decide if that's ok with them.

 
Old 04-11-2015, 09:28 AM
 
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Easy Answer: Because they are not race hucksters like Sharpton.
you can say that with a straight face? wow...
 
Old 04-11-2015, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I kept wondering why he ran from the cop.
I read this morning that he was $18K behind in child support payments and bench warrants had been issued.

So that is why he ran. He didn't want to get arrested and put in jail for nonpayment of child support.

Not a reason to be shot in the back 8 times though.
 
Old 04-11-2015, 09:52 AM
 
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I kept wondering why he ran from the cop.
I read this morning that he was $18K behind in child support payments and bench warrants had been issued.

So that is why he ran. He didn't want to get arrested and put in jail for nonpayment of child support.

Not a reason to be shot in the back 8 times though.
maybe it's just me but it's disturbing to turn non payment of support into a criminal issue, sounds like a return to the 19th century debtor prisons.
 
Old 04-11-2015, 10:00 AM
 
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maybe it's just me but it's disturbing to turn non payment of support into a criminal issue, sounds like a return to the 19th century debtor prisons.
Bench warrants aren't new. He had already been to jail several times for non payment.
I'm assuming you know how bench warrants work.

He had been taking back streets to avoid being stopped by cops because he knew there were bench warrants issued on him.

IMHO it is criminal to have 4 kids and walk away from that and leave it up to the ex wife to raise them with no financial obligation.
 
Old 04-11-2015, 10:07 AM
 
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Bench warrants aren't new. He had already been to jail several times for non payment.
I'm assuming you know how bench warrants work.

He had been taking back streets to avoid being stopped by cops because he knew there were bench warrants issued on him.

IMHO it is criminal to have 4 kids and walk away from that and leave it up to the ex wife to raise them with no financial obligation.
yep, great idea- put people in prison for not paying support- that way you can make sure they will never pay it
 
Old 04-11-2015, 10:28 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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I kept wondering why he ran from the cop.
I read this morning that he was $18K behind in child support payments and bench warrants had been issued.

So that is why he ran. He didn't want to get arrested and put in jail for nonpayment of child support.

Not a reason to be shot in the back 8 times though.
Agreed that it's not a reason to be shot in the back. But resisting arrest is itself a crime. There's a reason people are taught, in driver's education, how to conduct themselves vis a vis the police during a stop. Running is not one of those responses. And there are societal norms for a reason.

When I've stated that previously someone asked "who sets those norms" or words to that effect. My response is that I and the majority of people want to live in an orderly society. And freedom depends upon voluntary compliance with societal norms. Anarchy quickly descends into dictatorship for a reason. If those people like that kind of society, they are free to move to any number of such countries; Somalia, Nigeria, Yemen to name a few.

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maybe it's just me but it's disturbing to turn non payment of support into a criminal issue, sounds like a return to the 19th century debtor prisons.
Thank the female rights lobby for that one. They insist on "child support" going through the wife in order that the child not look to the father as a real parent, along with the mother. Thank you for stripping fathers of any real role or power.

Most involved fathers, including my father-in-law, spent far more on their children than the support requirements.
 
Old 04-11-2015, 10:29 AM
 
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yep, great idea- put people in prison for not paying support- that way you can make sure they will never pay it
Sometimes the mere Threat of prison is the only way to get deadbeats to pay. Somehow, some way, they get the money from relatives, friends, bank accounts they have under a girlfriend's name, etc.

I don't know Scott's circumstances.
 
Old 04-11-2015, 10:38 AM
 
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Agreed that it's not a reason to be shot in the back. But resisting arrest is itself a crime. There's a reason people are taught, in driver's education, how to conduct themselves vis a vis the police during a stop. Running is not one of those responses. And there are societal norms for a reason.

When I've stated that previously someone asked "who sets those norms" or words to that effect. My response is that I and the majority of people want to live in an orderly society. And freedom depends upon voluntary compliance with societal norms. Anarchy quickly descends into dictatorship for a reason. If those people like that kind of society, they are free to move to any number of such countries; Somalia, Nigeria, Yemen to name a few.

Thank the female rights lobby for that one. They insist on "child support" going through the wife in order that the child not look to the father as a real parent, along with the mother. Thank you for stripping fathers of any real role or power.

Most involved fathers, including my father-in-law, spent far more on their children than the support requirements.
hate to break it to you, but I'm a woman... My thought about child support is that courts are too quick to give sole custody to mom's and leave dad's holding the bag. I think it should be presumptively assumed that both parents are equally capable parents and thus shared custody should always be granted unless it can be objectively proven that one parent is unfit, or if a parent refuses to assume custodial obligations.

anyway..that's way off topic so I will stop now.
 
Old 04-11-2015, 10:43 AM
 
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Sometimes the mere Threat of prison is the only way to get deadbeats to pay. Somehow, some way, they get the money from relatives, friends, bank accounts they have under a girlfriend's name, etc.

I don't know Scott's circumstances.
unless you work in the court system or have 'deadbeat' friends or relatives you don't know if people actually 'come up with money' to pay support when they are sent to jail for non-payment. IMO you are just making that up to support arresting people for a civil obligation.
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