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Old 04-22-2015, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Coos Bay, Oregon
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People don't just walk into a precinct, ask for a job and get handed a badge and a gun. Cops go through long training periods and they usually have to take further courses throughout their careers to stay on the job or get promotions. This isn't an issue of education, it's an issue of culture. The police in this country have cultivated a culture of lawlessness. They don't feel accountable to the public or their superiors since this behavior has been going on for decades.
Most police departments hire high school graduates. They then have to go though a Police Academy for six months. Thats not a lot of training, for someone who could end up killing someone in the course of their job.
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Old 04-22-2015, 04:57 PM
 
Location: West Hollywood
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Most police departments hire high school graduates. They then have to go though a Police Academy for six months. Thats not a lot of training, for someone who could end up killing someone in the course of their job.
That's longer than boot camp and military personnel are expected to take lives if the situation warrants it.
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Old 04-22-2015, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Coos Bay, Oregon
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That's longer than boot camp and military personnel are expected to take lives if the situation warrants it.
Police should receive more training then military. Anyway military officers, certainly receive a lot more training then any police officer does.
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Old 04-22-2015, 05:12 PM
 
Location: zooland 1
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Most police departments hire high school graduates. They then have to go though a Police Academy for six months. Thats not a lot of training, for someone who could end up killing someone in the course of their job.
Well KAAAAABOOm

You are right.. the basic education requirement today to be a policeman is HS diploma.... except that doesnt even begin to tell the story

You probably wont get hired unless you are a minority or female..like you.. you get brownie points for just being a woman or being other than white
Most officers have at least an associates... many have much higher degrees

My department pays about 170.00 a month for a BA.. which in retirement works out to about 60k extra
We have a command college attached to our department that you can earn a PHD in public administration if so inclined. It would be difficult if not impossible today to promote with anything less than a four year degree.There are few younger officers I recall that arent in school days while working nights.. unless you are a slug.. and then you dont last in patrol anyway

A full POST academy usually is in excess of 2200 hours.. much higher than a paramedic... close to some nursing programs.. the same as a requisite for a professional medical license such as an mfccc,,, then there is 18 mos of probation.. increased because the academy is no longer a sworn position.. meaning you can be fired without cause... then there is patrol school.. another 120 hours,, then there is fto time.. roughly another 800 hours.... so the ACTUAL education requirement is substantial when compared to other professions


Some underfunded departments have lower standards as set by the training commission of each state,, made by politicians and legislatures

How much education do you have?
Are you required to be educated or trained for your position.. if you work...?
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Old 04-22-2015, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Marshal will be held to account for failing to protect any citizens property
Failure to protect property? How about destroying a citizens property...
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Old 04-22-2015, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Coos Bay, Oregon
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Well KAAAAABOOm

You are right.. the basic education requirement today to be a policeman is HS diploma.... except that doesnt even begin to tell the story

You probably wont get hired unless you are a minority or female..like you.. you get brownie points for just being a woman or being other than white
Most officers have at least an associates... many have much higher degrees

My department pays about 170.00 a month for a BA.. which in retirement works out to about 60k extra
We have a command college attached to our department that you can earn a PHD in public administration if so inclined. It would be difficult if not impossible today to promote with anything less than a four year degree.There are few younger officers I recall that arent in school days while working nights.. unless you are a slug.. and then you dont last in patrol anyway

A full POST academy usually is in excess of 2200 hours.. much higher than a paramedic... close to some nursing programs.. the same as a requisite for a professional medical license such as an mfccc,,, then there is 18 mos of probation.. increased because the academy is no longer a sworn position.. meaning you can be fired without cause... then there is patrol school.. another 120 hours,, then there is fto time.. roughly another 800 hours.... so the ACTUAL education requirement is substantial when compared to other professions


Some underfunded departments have lower standards as set by the training commission of each state,, made by politicians and legislatures

How much education do you have?
Are you required to be educated or trained for your position.. if you work...?
How much education I have is not relevant. I've never had a job where I carried a gun and could kill people.
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Old 04-22-2015, 05:36 PM
 
Location: West Hollywood
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Police should receive more training then military.
Why?

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Anyway military officers, certainly receive a lot more training then any police officer does.
No they don't. MP training is relatively short.
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Old 04-22-2015, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Coos Bay, Oregon
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Why?
Because police kill people when they are not properly trained


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No they don't. MP training is relatively short.
Are you serious? Military Academy is four years.
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Old 04-22-2015, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Type 0.73 Kardashev
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Because police kill people when they are not properly trained

Are you serious? Military Academy is four years.
Military police school - specifically, the 31B MOS course (to use the United States Army as an example) is 20 weeks. However, that is One Station Unit Training, which means that Basic Combat Training and the MOS training (31B in this case) are integrated into one course. Basic Combat Training is boot camp. This covers all the elementary training aspects common to all recruits: physical training, weapons familiarization, first aid, and so forth. And BCT is 10 weeks long. So, basically, the 31B course consists of little more than 10 weeks of MP training.

The United States Military Academy produces officers. Most MPs are NCOs, not officers.

The military isn't immune to bad eggs by any means, but you'll find a lot less of the nonsense there than you will in civilian police forces.
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Old 04-22-2015, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Coos Bay, Oregon
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Military police school - specifically, the 31B MOS course (to use the United States Army as an example) is 20 weeks. However, that is One Station Unit Training, which means that Basic Combat Training and the MOS training (31B in this case) are integrated into one course. Basic Combat Training is boot camp. This covers all the elementary training aspects common to all recruits: physical training, weapons familiarization, first aid, and so forth. And BCT is 10 weeks long. So, basically, the 31B course consists of little more than 10 weeks of MP training.

The United States Military Academy produces officers. Most MPs are NCOs, not officers.

The military isn't immune to bad eggs by any means, but you'll find a lot less of the nonsense there than you will in civilian police forces.
I said "military officers, certainly receive a lot more training then any police officer does."
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