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Old 06-18-2015, 12:22 PM
 
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I'm all for the freedom to smoke MJ, but I also support an employers freedom to fire you for using it. Alcohol is legal too, but if you come to work drunk, smelling like whiskey and even staggering a bit and being blurry eyes...you're Fired! That's the way it should be. If you're smoking MJ, medically approved or not, you shouldn't even be driving to work much less putting co-workers in danger.
I'm guessing you do not have any experience with MJ? Where I work drinking on the job will get you kicked off the jobsite, if you make a scene maybe fired too. MJ use, everybody does it, we call it a "safety meeting", afterwards we operate heavy equipment on and off the roadways. In 25 years there has only been 1 accident requiring a hospital visit (4 stitches), an employee did what I had told him 100+ times not to do, he finally understood why that day. We do random drug testing, anything beyond MJ is instant termination.
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Old 06-18-2015, 05:39 PM
 
Location: Oceania
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Our lives are slowly being taken over.

And the sad thing is we let it happen.

To quote Nazi Joseph Mengele — 'The more we do to you, the less you seem to believe we are doing it.'

It pretty much explains how the typical American bumbles about day to day and not acknowledging what goes on around.
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Old 06-19-2015, 07:25 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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To quote Nazi Joseph Mengele — 'The more we do to you, the less you seem to believe we are doing it.'

It pretty much explains how the typical American bumbles about day to day and not acknowledging what goes on around.

Very true. People blindly follow and submit to authority without question, and in the meantime our individual liberties are being further erroded in all aspects of our lives, be it from the government, or employers. Now, I understand people need jobs, and sometimes you have to sacrifice certain things. However; don't you think working 40 hours a week (let's not forget commute times if you have to travel a good distance to get to work) and limiting time with your family is enough? I have no issue making sacrifices on the clock, and on my employer's time, and property, but nobody should have to compromise their individual liberties or be restricted by anyone as to what activities they do in their private life, so long as they harm nobody else, or their performance isn't effected! There has to be some give and take! Your employer does not own you! Nor does anyone else!
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Old 06-19-2015, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Oceania
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Very true. People blindly follow and submit to authority without question, and in the meantime our individual liberties are being further erroded in all aspects of our lives, be it from the government, or employers. Now, I understand people need jobs, and sometimes you have to sacrifice certain things. However; don't you think working 40 hours a week (let's not forget commute times if you have to travel a good distance to get to work) and limiting time with your family is enough? I have no issue making sacrifices on the clock, and on my employer's time, and property, but nobody should have to compromise their individual liberties or be restricted by anyone as to what activities they do in their private life, so long as they harm nobody else, or their performance isn't effected! There has to be some give and take! Your employer does not own you! Nor does anyone else!

What the government, local or federal, do to take our freedoms/liberties away is a far different topic than what you are willing to do or don't for money. If 40 hrs is what the employer wants of you, you work itt or look elsewhere unless they are willing o make concessions for you. This might include a lower salary or less than full time status. An employer isn't taking rights from you and you can't really expect government to legislate they do so unless you mind some jobs disappearing. Socialism is when government tells corporations how to do business.

Your employer may not own you but if you want the job you need to toe the line or be fired.
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Old 06-19-2015, 12:47 PM
 
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What the government, local or federal, do to take our freedoms/liberties away is a far different topic than what you are willing to do or don't for money. If 40 hrs is what the employer wants of you, you work itt or look elsewhere unless they are willing o make concessions for you. This might include a lower salary or less than full time status. An employer isn't taking rights from you and you can't really expect government to legislate they do so unless you mind some jobs disappearing. Socialism is when government tells corporations how to do business.

Your employer may not own you but if you want the job you need to toe the line or be fired.
And in a case like this, where its a quad who is only capable of work because of the mj that prevents his violent muscle spasms, it's just "oh, well, too bad, so sad? He should just go on the public dole like 99% of other quads and forget being a member of society?

I feel you pro-corporate people are very naive, and I think this company just wanted us to pay his astronomical medical tab instead of them and they had to invent a way to get rid of him due to that pesky ADA. In any case, as a taxpayer, we should now be grateful that he uses pot, which is far, far cheaper than the prescription drugs he was on before 2009 that didn't work.

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Old 06-19-2015, 12:54 PM
 
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I was talking about the US Supreme Court. Quit jumping to conclusions.
Not jumping to conclusions. You specifically said: "I hope these justices just drop dead especially Scalia." These Justices in this topic are Colorado Justices. Bringing in Scalia is completely irrelevant.
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Old 06-19-2015, 01:00 PM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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What the government, local or federal, do to take our freedoms/liberties away is a far different topic than what you are willing to do or don't for money. If 40 hrs is what the employer wants of you, you work itt or look elsewhere unless they are willing o make concessions for you. This might include a lower salary or less than full time status. An employer isn't taking rights from you and you can't really expect government to legislate they do so unless you mind some jobs disappearing. Socialism is when government tells corporations how to do business.

Your employer may not own you but if you want the job you need to toe the line or be fired.

I'm not expecting the government to do that, nor do I want it. My point is that there has to be some give and take in terms of how far employers should intrude on your life. Let's just say I'm glad that I don't work for a company that intrudes on our private lives. The bottom line is performance, and nothing else.
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