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Old 07-25-2015, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Central Florida
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You really do love government. I'm going to presume you're either a liberal or conservative. Either way, you trust their narrative, you respect their authority, and you conform to their demands. America was founded by people exactly the opposite of you. If you don't like the traditions of this nation, you're always welcome to go somewhere else.
Ah the usual response, if you don't like it here leave the country. I am NOT the one crying about police, you are. If you don't like it here, well you know the rest.
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Old 07-25-2015, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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Right, because those things happen in NO other industrialized countries in the whole world. And, also, because police accounts are always 100% truthful.

"Dear Government, how we love your ability to murder us as you please! Just provide us with an excuse and we will obey you!" cried every liberal and conservative cop-sympathizer in unison.

Evidence is 100% truthful. Some people just don't want to believe it. Really, these every cop is a murderous thug in waiting threads are sad and reek of paranoia. I hope you find a way to resolve your irrational fear. Instead of lumping cops into the one size fits all category why don't you research every unjustified killing and start a thread on that instead. It might be a time consuming and difficult search but it may also give you a different point of view to focus on. I'm wondering what your motive is for starting this thread?
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Old 07-25-2015, 11:23 AM
 
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Default This is what happens when things stay in the "family" TOO long.

The moral and summary of this is you cant stereotype all people in a group for the actions of a few. Trying to convince people that statistically mass numbers of occurences of many scoped media topics are relatively minimal but it is lucrative for the media business in one way or the other, politically or monetarily. This video clearly shows the dangers of poorly trained policemen that overreacted and actually placed themselves and others in danger. Had the disoriented criminal had a more effective weapon and used it willfully the news would be reporting several fatalities with wounded bystanders. If we are going to be so shortsightedly judgemental in this much changed American era, law enforcement must be required to pass an I.Q. test in order to wield a deadly weapon in public areas. A team leader could trigger a remote unlock for the locked weapon of those screened positive for possible judgement issues in an emergency situation. This is public execution and to be honest target practice for people attracted to that line of work posing as real policemen and women. The same as a pedophile working in a daycare. Hey, murder is particularly heinous. Murder victims cant whine and cry about how being murdered gave them a lifetime of blushie faces, nightmares or PTSD. Worse than sex offense. Dead is dead. Destroyed. Deprived of EVERY right and pursuit. The alleged criminal was a violent law breaker so why do we need judges (sarcasm). Maybe they were busy and needed to get back to something much more personally gratifying. Nothing surprises me anymore as to how petty, empty, self righteous and cruel grown adults can behave and be so proud of the terrible thing they just did. Desiring to punish the world is a sickness as is desiring to lock everyone up with the exception of your personal Constitution disrespecting, cult-like clan. Yes there are people that do bad things but when everyone is behaving chaotically its so much worse. America is the last place in the world that you should try to dominate and oppress with force as a rule if you dont want a ceaseless war. Not smart. This type of thing causes a ripple effect throughout and causes problems for everyone in some way. Hell, the fire deptartment could have handled that better haha.
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Old 07-25-2015, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Spring Hill Florida
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If you don't like the traditions of this nation, you're always welcome to go somewhere else.
so are you.
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Old 07-25-2015, 11:28 AM
 
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Your thread was debunked very early. Your anti-cop agenda is obvious. Keep whining about police officers. Make sure you do not conform with any requests when being pulled over. It will probably work out well for you.

your attempts to declare victory stink of defeat.
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Old 07-25-2015, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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In the end DO NOT BREAK THE LAW and the cops will leave you alone. If you do get stopped or pulled over be respectful answer the easy questions and you will be on your way.

I'm thinking about all the recent high profile cases were police used deadly force and in most of the cases the person acted stupid. In some cases the cops over reacted but sometimes they need ot make life and death decisions in a split second.


If Michael Brown had not robbed the store. If he had complied with the officers request to get off the street and onto the sidewalk he would still be alive today.

What is it with so many people that feel they are entitled and above the law and when the cops come down on them for breaking it they get all defensive and resists arrest etc..??


It is true some people should not be police officers due to their temperment but considering the slime they deal with on a daily basis I'm surprised we don't see more snapping.
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Old 07-25-2015, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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In the end DO NOT BREAK THE LAW and the cops will leave you alone. If you do get stopped or pulled over be respectful answer the easy questions and you will be on your way.

I'm thinking about all the recent high profile cases were police used deadly force and in most of the cases the person acted stupid. In some cases the cops over reacted but sometimes they need ot make life and death decisions in a split second.


If Michael Brown had not robbed the store. If he had complied with the officers request to get off the street and onto the sidewalk he would still be alive today.

What is it with so many people that feel they are entitled and above the law and when the cops come down on them for breaking it they get all defensive and resists arrest etc..??


It is true some people should not be police officers due to their temperment but considering the slime they deal with on a daily basis I'm surprised we don't see more snapping.
CCT, we understand that people should obey the law. We agree that people should obey the law. We agree that people should follow legal orders from police officers.

However, there is not a legal death penalty for stealing a few cigars from a convenience store. There is not a legal death penalty for trying to escape from arrest.

He needed to be arrested and put in jail. He needed to be tried in court. He almost certainly needed to be sentenced to jail or prison time.
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Old 07-25-2015, 11:50 AM
 
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CCT, we understand that people should obey the law. We agree that people should obey the law. We agree that people should follow legal orders from police officers.

However, there is not a legal death penalty for stealing a few cigars from a convenience store. There is not a legal death penalty for trying to escape from arrest.

He needed to be arrested and put in jail. He needed to be tried in court. He almost certainly needed to be sentenced to jail or prison time.
and it was his actions, of attacking a police officer that led to the officer having no choice but to use deadly force.
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Old 07-25-2015, 11:56 AM
 
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CCT, we understand that people should obey the law. We agree that people should obey the law. We agree that people should follow legal orders from police officers.

However, there is not a legal death penalty for stealing a few cigars from a convenience store. There is not a legal death penalty for trying to escape from arrest.

He needed to be arrested and put in jail. He needed to be tried in court. He almost certainly needed to be sentenced to jail or prison time.
He died, not because he stole cigars or even because he resisted, but because he grabbed the cop's gun and held it to the cop's head. He even tried to pull the trigger. He died because he was an idiot, plain and simple. And no, I don't feel bad for him. I feel bad for the cop who was vilified for being forced to defend himself in such a way that resulted in the death of the guy he was trying to arrest for a valid reason/the guy who refused to stop walking in the middle of the street - you know, where the cars go. That's how it all started, btw. Brown and his friend were walking down the middle of the street and Officer Wilson asked them to move to the sidewalk. Perfectly valid request for their own safety and the safety of the people driving on that road. They refused.
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Old 07-25-2015, 12:31 PM
 
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your one case does not negate the primary point of the writer. All it does is illustrate one case out of thousands.
When you say absurd hyperbolic things, it diminishes your credibility. The poster you were responding to didn't bring up the only example he could find, rather he just pointed one example out. For you to try and diminish it as a rare one off example of LEO's using justifiable lethal force to stop a murderer, vs. "thousands" you presumably think show "out of control cops", it is frankly absurd.

Yes there are bad apples in every profession. I will even grant you that most are not given the power over life and death with citizens like LEO's are. However, the examples of flat our police murdering innocent people, or even those who have committed minor crimes is a statistical anomaly.
Granted even one is too many, such as the guy running from the cop after a traffic stop and getting shot in the back 4 or so times.
However lets not paint with such a wide brush that you infer we have a bunch of craven murderous cops on the loose hoping to put another notch in their gun.

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