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From my experience: Whatever happened, "...for better or for worse...?" Honestly, a "woman" who cannot "handle" her husband being fat and not giving it up...go watch a porno, suck it up, and be a woman.
I would just buy a nice new vibrator......rather than cheat on my boyfriend.
The reason that the hackers did this is because the owners at Ashley Madison charged customers a $30 fee (or something, can't remember exact value) to "COMPLETELY remove all of their information". The hackers called the owner's out on this, saying that they were scamming everyone, the owner's denied it... and here we are.
Strange, your post is the first one in this thread to mention what you are demanding people not to mention (and the post you quoted didn't mention anything about it).
No, see post @277.
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Personally, I don't see why there needs to be a debate for 35 pages on C-D about the rightness or wrongness of what the hackers did. If it was an illegal act then let the authorities worry about it, it's their job, not mine. There are hundreds of stories of illegal acts every day, but it seems like people want to get caught up in this particular story, maybe because they have some emotional investment in it.
The issue that's being swept under the rug is that a lot of companies have much weaker safeguards against hacking than they could have, probably because there is no legal penalty for failure to safeguard the data (just a little embarrassment). While there may be no 100% solution (e.g., there may be inside jobs), companies are basically getting away with playing the victim role ("oh, bad luck, those evil hackers got to us"), even while their poor security choices are a major part of the problem. It's basically just a lack of a sense of responsibility on their part.
There is legal penalty for certain types of data, such as certain health data. The credit card industry exacts industry penalties for failing to protect credit and debit card data.
The companies are victims. Burglary does not become a crime only if the door was locked.
The reason that the hackers did this is because the owners at Ashley Madison charged customers a $30 fee (or something, can't remember exact value) to "COMPLETELY remove all of their information". The hackers called the owner's out on this, saying that they were scamming everyone, the owner's denied it... and here we are.
Oh really? The hackers get to decide? What if someone doesn't like something do do or don't do, can they impose their will on you too? Get a clue, this wasn't about the $30 charge. If they really believed that the charge was wrong, hey, file a lawsuit, class action at that and take care of it. You don't break in and steal things because in some part of a warped mind, the criminal gets to declare themselves judge jury and executioner. Tell me then, is it okay for the poloce to stop you for speeding, claim you are guilty and then make you give them money? Bet you'd scream about that.
Oh really? The hackers get to decide? What if someone doesn't like something do do or don't do, can they impose their will on you too? Get a clue, this wasn't about the $30 charge. If they really believed that the charge was wrong, hey, file a lawsuit, class action at that and take care of it. You don't break in and steal things because in some part of a warped mind, the criminal gets to declare themselves judge jury and executioner. Tell me then, is it okay for the poloce to stop you for speeding, claim you are guilty and then make you give them money? Bet you'd scream about that.
There are exceptions for everything. In this case I'd make the exception.
No, I disagree. People make mistakes. Sometimes terrible mistakes, but as I've gotten older, I've seen how destructive divorce can be on the spouses and the children. If you've strayed, best to stop it, put it behind you and tell No One! All that causes is pain, and lots of it.
When I was an idealistic twenty something, I might have felt the same way. Not anymore. Infidelity doesn't have to be the end of a marriage, but if you bear the burden of guilt on your own conscience and don't lay it on the wronged party, you are doing that person a favor.
These hackers are driving daggers into the hearts of otherwise happy people ( including children ) who were just going about their lives, not knowing that mom or dad was getting a little on the side. It's not their place. It's wrong, and it will come back on them.
As someone who has been cheated on, and is still on the road to recovery, I find what you are saying BEYOND disrespectful to anyone who has been wronged by someone they love. Have you any idea the mental damage that can happen to someone who has been cheated on? The level of betrayal, which can unleash insecurities and trust issues which are not easy to fix. And you want us to feel sorry for the cheater? No. Having an online affair is not a mistake. Getting caught up in a one time moment of emotional confusion is one thing, but an active continuous affair that requires effort to keep up with, is a totally different ballgame. Unhappy marriages are more destructive than divorces. Take it from someone who has two cousins who committed affairs. Affairs, not one time flings. Not a regrettable drunken night, AFFAIRS. One of them while his wife lived in a different country with their son. The other, his wife is an emotional wreck and honestly, can you blame her?
If you have an affair, you're a POS who does not deserve to be in a relationship. If you make a mistake and cheat on your partner, but it is not an ongoing affair, it wasn't even planned, then tell them when you can. They might be able to forgive you, or they might not, but you won't be owed forgiveness, however they will be owed the truth. I hate this soft enabling society where we can't even call out cheaters and liars because "they're people too." Weak and soft society that protects offenders more than victims. It's backwards.
No, I disagree. People make mistakes. Sometimes terrible mistakes, but as I've gotten older, I've seen how destructive divorce can be on the spouses and the children..
Leaving the house without your umbrella is a mistake, forgetting to buy milk at the store is a mistake. Making overt efforts to meet someone for the purpose of having sex is NOT a mistake. It's the act of a self indulgent, narcissistic coward, I know because I was married to one.
No, it doesn't make it okay. But is cheating okay? Depends who you ask I suppose. The hackers didn't think cheating or fraud/lying were okay and they exposed both in one swoop. It might not be "okay", but it happened and I am explaining why it happened.
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