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Oh really? The hackers get to decide? What if someone doesn't like something do do or don't do, can they impose their will on you too? Get a clue, this wasn't about the $30 charge. If they really believed that the charge was wrong, hey, file a lawsuit, class action at that and take care of it. You don't break in and steal things because in some part of a warped mind, the criminal gets to declare themselves judge jury and executioner. Tell me then, is it okay for the poloce to stop you for speeding, claim you are guilty and then make you give them money? Bet you'd scream about that.
Haha, really? Are you really comparing a hacker to a police officer?
I was explaining what happened, not saying that I believe it was the moral and right thing to do. A hacker is comparable to a criminal, not a police officer. These "criminals" were exposing other "criminals" and didn't mind using the "addicts" as collateral damage.
Besides, it happened. Who am I to decide if hackers get to decide what happens to the people who decided to join a site to cheat on their spouse who decided to pay and trust such a company who partakes in fraud and then lies about it? That previous line is about as hard to follow as your silly logic.
I didn't make the decision. Some hackers did. I have no control over it. ISIS kills children for no reason. Who are they to decide that children should die because of religious reasons. Your "argument" is so flawed that I need to put it in quotes because it can hardly be considered an argument.
Over at reddit their was a guy who said that when he was in his early 20's and fresh out of a relationship he signed up but never used it because he had to pay for membership and since he was broke. He forgot about until now when some reporter from Buzzfeed asked if he could talk to him since his email was pulled from the hack list. He is engaged and now does not know how his fiance will feel about it. Man this is going to cause a lot of problems for so many.
So why are these "hackers" hero's? The illegally broke into the information system of a legitimate businesses and stole data. That makes them thieves , not hero's.
It might be a "legitimate" business but it's an unethical business. Why do you think so many communities make prostitution illegal? Prostitutes are usually consenting adults and so are their johns. How is that all that different from Ashley Madison? The only difference is the money is going to AM executives, not pimps. But aren't THEY pimps?
If AM was on the up-and-up, the users wouldn't be so eager to cover up their participation. And so many people wouldn't be complaining their lives were "ruined" because their illicit behavior was uncovered. So (1) the hackers are unethical, (2) the site they hit is unethical, and (3) the users of that site are unethical. Why should we only see the first part of that equation as the "criminals"?
It might be a "legitimate" business but it's an unethical business. Why do you think so many communities make prostitution illegal? Prostitutes are usually consenting adults and so are their johns. How is that all that different from Ashley Madison? The only difference is the money is going to AM executives, not pimps. But aren't THEY pimps?
If AM was on the up-and-up, the users wouldn't be so eager to cover up their participation. And so many people wouldn't be complaining their lives were "ruined" because their illicit behavior was uncovered. So (1) the hackers are unethical, (2) the site they hit is unethical, and (3) the users of that site are unethical. Why should we only see the first part of that equation as the "criminals"?
No, it doesn't make it okay. But is cheating okay? Depends who you ask I suppose. The hackers didn't think cheating or fraud/lying were okay and they exposed both in one swoop. It might not be "okay", but it happened and I am explaining why it happened.
You didn't explain anything, you guessed and then used that to fabricate a cover story. The hackers were criminals, they had many alternatives to what they did. They could have simply taken out a website saying they have the exploit and warning anyone who viated the site that their info was at risk. Now that would have been a selfless act instead of releasing the data. So you really think anything the hackers did will stop or even impact cheating? More people cheat using Craigslist than anything else no doubt. Chances are very high that a significant percentage of those saying what the hackers did was a good thing are themselves cheaters. The stats bear that out.
Strange, your post is the first one in this thread to mention what you are demanding people not to mention (and the post you quoted didn't mention anything about it).
Back to the topic...
Personally, I don't see why there needs to be a debate for 35 pages on C-D about the rightness or wrongness of what the hackers did. If it was an illegal act then let the authorities worry about it, it's their job, not mine. There are hundreds of stories of illegal acts every day, but it seems like people want to get caught up in this particular story, maybe because they have some emotional investment in it.
The issue that's being swept under the rug is that a lot of companies have much weaker safeguards against hacking than they could have, probably because there is no legal penalty for failure to safeguard the data (just a little embarrassment). While there may be no 100% solution (e.g., there may be inside jobs), companies are basically getting away with playing the victim role ("oh, bad luck, those evil hackers got to us"), even while their poor security choices are a major part of the problem. It's basically just a lack of a sense of responsibility on their part.
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Cheaters lives matter, I demand a protest from Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson and the whole crew, I demand answers.
How in the **** does Wildcat's post NOT mention race?
You didn't explain anything, you guessed and then used that to fabricate a cover story. The hackers were criminals, they had many alternatives to what they did. They could have simply taken out a website saying they have the exploit and warning anyone who viated the site that their info was at risk. Now that would have been a selfless act instead of releasing the data. So you really think anything the hackers did will stop or even impact cheating? More people cheat using Craigslist than anything else no doubt. Chances are very high that a significant percentage of those saying what the hackers did was a good thing are themselves cheaters. The stats bear that out.
I will post it again, feel free to read it this time.
The reason that the hackers did this is because the owners at Ashley Madison charged customers a $30 fee (or something, can't remember exact value) to "COMPLETELY remove all of their information". The hackers called the owner's out on this, saying that they were scamming everyone, the owner's denied it... and here we are.
The hackers did this to expose the owner's of Ashley Madison for LYING and saying they COMPLETELY REMOVE CUSTOMER DATA FOR A FEE. That's why the hackers did it. They said that's why they did it.
They had alternatives, sure. I don't care. I'm simply stating why they did what they did... to bring down the lying, fraudulent owner's of AM. Why are you arguing with me? I don't know. I don't care. But you are, that's what happened. That's all I was pointing out in my initial comment.
I don't know why you're asking me questions about craiglists and cheating and ****. I wasn't looking for an argument about morality and such. Not sure why you're trying to force one?
Yepper..AM had a month to rectify and correct the fraudulent billing of their subscribers...IF those folks who actually paid for such will no doubt sue the panties off them!! including the costs incurred to process such a claim!! AM declined to acknowledge this nor gave their subscriber's the chance to delete their profiles and so on...BLAME AM not the hackers...They did NOT ask for any monetary compensation..NOPE!!
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Over at reddit their was a guy who said that when he was in his early 20's and fresh out of a relationship he signed up but never used it because he had to pay for membership and since he was broke. He forgot about until now when some reporter from Buzzfeed asked if he could talk to him since his email was pulled from the hack list. He is engaged and now does not know how his fiance will feel about it. Man this is going to cause a lot of problems for so many.
If this 20 year old subscribed and never used it..His profile would represent that fact..They would have no worries!!
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Good point. But why sign up in the first place?
LOL..Research.. which is the GO TO rationale for many so far who have been outed ( Politicians)..Course Josh Duggar knew full well he not only subscribed and utilized all the bells and whistles to ensure his particular needs..KNEW he was outed..thus his confession...yet he went further and acknowledged his other predilections ( Porn) which got deleted later....But that actually could prove to be problematic for Josh...
Voyeurism and/or curiosity. Perhaps to see if there was anyone they knew on there.
Maybe they signed up years ago when they were single and just let it lapse.
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