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Running a business is not a "right" either--let alone a "fundamental right" like the right to vote. You either comply with the laws or you shut your business down. Its fine with me if people who won't obey these laws close their doors. I say good riddance.
If you want have a personal opinion that a business should have the right to serve who it wants and doesn't want that's fine with me.
That's not the law though. States can have individual laws prohibiting discrimination against any group they want, including gay people. Federal laws prohibit discrimination on the basis of race, sex, religion, or national origin. If you want to argue those laws are unconstitutional, I hate to tell you this: The Supreme Court has the final word and they have said these laws are constitutional.
I am much more concerned with the Supreme Court thinks on this issue than what Ayn Rand or a bunch of libertarian crackpots think.
I hear your emotional rant, but can you explain to me the reason for which a non-essential services business should be forced not to discriminate?
I hear your emotional rant, but can you explain to me the reason for which a non-essential services business should be forced not to discriminate?
Inconvenience and it results in a group being treated as second class citizens. No Americans are second class citizens.
My biggest problem is that its always same groups. Some people don't like blacks, some don't like Hispanics, and some don't like gay people.
I'm sorry if educating people what the law is in this country as opposed to a purely personal view comes across and "emotional rant". Some folks here on CDF just don't seem to get the idea that they aren't allowed to do whatever they want.
Inconvenience and it results in a group being treated as second class citizens. No Americans are second class citizens.
My biggest problem is that its always same groups. Some people don't like blacks, some don't like Hispanics, and some don't like gay people.
I'm sorry if educating people what the law is in this country as opposed to a purely personal view comes across and "emotional rant".
Let's start with inconvenience.
Do you feel that businesses should be forced to open each day? Let's take Chick-Fil-A as an example. Should the government force Chick-Fil-A to open on Sundays so that people are not inconvenienced when they are passing by one on a Sunday and not able to eat?
Now, let's move on to "second class citizens".
So, you're saying that businesses should be forced to do business with everyone so people don't get their feelings hurt?
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Originally Posted by markg91359
Some folks here on CDF just don't seem to get the idea that they aren't allowed to do whatever they want.
While others feel government should be the morality police.
Do you feel that businesses should be forced to open each day? Let's take Chick-Fil-A as an example. Should the government force Chick-Fil-A to open on Sundays so that people are not inconvenienced when they are passing by one on a Sunday and not able to eat?
Whether the business is open or not does not impact any particular group. If they are closed on Sunday, they are closed for everyone.
Now, let's move on to "second class citizens".
So, you're saying that businesses should be forced to do business with everyone so people don't get their feelings hurt?
Yes. It's not "feelings." It's the law.
While others feel government should be the morality police.
It's still an issue of convenience. You really believe government should be making laws to make things convenient?
I guess so, since you feel the government should have laws against hurt feelings.
Let me ask you this, if a person is having a birthday party and invites all of his white neighbors, but not the black neighbors, because he is a racist, should the government force him to invite those black neighbors to the party so their aren't any hurt feelings?
Running a business is not a "right" either--let alone a "fundamental right" like the right to vote. You either comply with the laws or you shut your business down. Its fine with me if people who won't obey these laws close their doors. I say good riddance.
If you want have a personal opinion that a business should have the right to serve who it wants and doesn't want that's fine with me.
That's not the law though. States can have individual laws prohibiting discrimination against any group they want, including gay people. Federal laws prohibit discrimination on the basis of race, sex, religion, or national origin. If you want to argue those laws are unconstitutional, I hate to tell you this: The Supreme Court has the final word and they have said these laws are constitutional.
I am much more concerned with the Supreme Court thinks on this issue than what Ayn Rand or a bunch of libertarian crackpots think.
It should be illegal for consumers to discriminate when they choose who to do business with due to their sex, gender, religion, sexual orientation. Consumers should need a governmentally regulated license to consume and they should be investigated if they only associate with certain categories of people.
If you do not do business with black, gay and trans owned businesses you should pay a large fine.
It's still an issue of convenience. You really believe government should be making laws to make things convenient?
I guess so, since you feel the government should have laws against hurt feelings.
Let me ask you this, if a person is having a birthday party and invites all of his white neighbors, but not the black neighbors, because he is a racist, should the government force him to invite those black neighbors to the party so their aren't any hurt feelings?
It has nothing to do with feelings, and you know that.
The birthday is a private event.
Businesses are in the public realm thus are held accountable to anti discrimination laws
Try and run without a license and see where it gets you.
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