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Old 09-24-2015, 01:21 PM
 
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I've seen this 0.2% tossed out a few times now. So 2 out of 1000 people are transgendered? If so, it seems like, out of the thousands of people I've met in my lifetime, at least one would have been openly transgendered (I know some will say I've probably met many, and I just didn't know they were TG, which is why I said surely I would have met at least openly TG).

I've never met one.
Where do you live?
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Old 09-24-2015, 01:22 PM
 
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Personally I think it is terrible. It is becoming more of the norm and I think people need to start accepting there are people who fit into this category. Young teens often commit suicide because they don't feel like they fit in this place where it is clearly defined as male and female. Why can't people be open minded and realize that everything doesn't fit into a neat box. God. Let people be who they want and stop shaming and humiliating them for that choice.

So, I think the security person was ignorant and not culturally aware.
The TSA agent followed protocol. The person being screened had four choices. (1) undergo screening as a woman. (2) undergo screening as a man. (3) request private screening. (4) refuse screening and get escorted off the checkpoint. The screening process can't be bypassed no matter if you are a child, senior citizen or a special needs individual.

I seriously doubt this person would be tweeting up a storm if it had happened at a federal building. He or she would have complied with no questions asked. There wouldn't be any questioning or second guessing. And we wouldn't be watching it on the 6 o'clock evening news or discussing it on CD. We need to be cognizant of the fact that there are individuals hostile to the American public who are continually testing and probing our security checkpoints searching for cracks and areas of vulnerabilities. The question some Americans need to ask themselves is 'Do you want security personnel to make you feel good or do you want them to keep you safe'? A bomb can be smuggled on a plane or a federal building by a child, an elderly person or the mentally challenged. I'm sure the enemy will try use a transgender if we allow it to become a security soft spot.
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Old 09-24-2015, 01:32 PM
 
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I am totally amazed at the things we learn on this forum. Imagine I have lived all of these years and never knew girls have a penis. I am confused now since I don't know if I am a man or a woman. I guess I will have to tell my kids that it is a possibility that they may have 2 mothers. Maybe not!!! Their mother maybe a man with a vagina. Yes, that's it. hell, it might work out ok after all.
Just to add - good thing you visited this thread , isn't it? You've learned something.

Here's one example of why there are indeed girls with a penis...
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Hormones are important during your development. If your body doesn't get the right hormones at the right times, things can end up a little different than expected. This can lead to a person being intersex.

One way this can happen is if you have a version of a gene called CYP21 that doesn't work well. This gene is important in the process of making cortisol. Cortisol is one of the hormones that respond to stress in your body.

People who have certain differences in CYP21 or other genes that affect the process of making cortisol have a condition called congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH). This can result in XX females that have male characteristics on the outside of their body.
Understanding Genetics
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Old 09-24-2015, 01:37 PM
 
Location: At the corner of happy and free
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Where do you live?
Not sure why you ask, but I've lived in many places, mostly large cities including Chicago, Indianapolis, Boston, and now San Antonio.
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Old 09-24-2015, 01:48 PM
 
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Not sure why you ask, but I've lived in many places, mostly large cities including Chicago, Indianapolis, Boston, and now San Antonio.
I ask because I think it makes a difference in whether you're likely to encounter a trans person or not. They're more likely to gravitate to larger metro areas where they can find likeminded people with less fear of judgment and possible bodily harm.

I can't speak to why you haven't personally. Could be any number of reasons. Perhaps it's never come up in conversation.

Edited to add - have you never driven in the red light district in any of those cities? Because of the prejudice against them, there are some that work in the sex trade because no one will employ them, or they've been kicked out of their families at a young age and are homeless. You've never seen that?
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Old 09-24-2015, 01:55 PM
 
Location: One of the 13 original colonies.
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Just to add - good thing you visited this thread , isn't it? You've learned something.

Here's one example of why there are indeed girls with a penis...

Understanding Genetics



Unfortunately, a lot of what I learn here is total BS. And it keeps on coming.
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Old 09-24-2015, 01:59 PM
 
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Unfortunately, a lot of what I learn here is total BS. And it keeps on coming.
How so? You have cites to refute the geneticist?
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Old 09-24-2015, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in America
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How hard is it to go through the scanner with male selected as the sex? All the person had to do was comply. In the amount of time this person rambled on about them being every sex there is, they could have gone through the scanner several times and been done with the ordeal. Nope. Everyone nowadays needs their 15 minutes of fame....It's probably Obama's fault since people blame him for everything.....But I will say this is Bruce Jenner's fault...He's a MAN who is screwed up....I would be too if I were stuck with the Kardashians, but hey he chose them. His problem not mine. And yes Bruce is a MAN...he has a penis. I don't care if he buys boobs and has 15 of them and they're all double the size of Pamela Anderson's, he's still a man until he buys a vagina.
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Old 09-24-2015, 07:02 PM
 
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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I don't see an issue either. One purpose the story may serve is that other transgenders may be able to more discreetly handle the situation when they are faced with it since it won't come as a surprise.

Safety is just too much of an issue in this case. When it came down to it, I wouldn't care who patted me down if it meant I could make my flight and get on with it. Geez, it isn't like everyone is some kind of pervert just wanting to get their hands on someone's crotch. I wouldn't want the job but someone has to do it.
I agree that safety is a big issue, and frankly, I had no idea the machines were different for men or women.

I am sensing an opportunity for terrorists (and drug mules) who may be a woman but say they are male or transgender, so "please put me through the male machine" so that they have an opportunity to conceal something that is penis-shaped, whether large or small, as in atrophied.
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Old 09-24-2015, 09:42 PM
 
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Transgender Woman Says She Was Delayed by TSA for Anatomical 'Anomaly' - NBC News

"I stepped into the full body scanner, the TSA agent looked at me and pressed the F button," Petosky said in an interview with NBC News via text message. "The scanner picked up an 'anomaly' in my crotch area."

"I said, 'I'm transgender. That's my penis,'" Petosky recalled. "The TSA officer then said something like, 'If you are a man, then go back in the machine and we'll run you as a man.'"

Told by the agent that she needed to be run as a man or a woman, Petosky said she replied, "I'm transgender. I am a woman, but I have an atrophied penis, trying to make it kind of not a big deal."

According to Petosky, the TSA officer replied, "If you don't want to be run as a man, we'll have to search you. Are you a man or a woman?"

Then he asked her whether she wanted a male or female agent to search her body.

"I kind of froze. I have never been flagged in the groin before and didn't want to make a female officer touch there, but didn't want a man to do the pat down," she said.


I sympathize with her, but then again this is airport security. If she HAS to be run through as either a male or female because the scanner knows what to look for for each gender and will pick up anomalies, then it seems simple to me. You still have a penis, by the machine you are considered a male. Black and white, yes, but airport security SHOULD be black and white. For all they know, that "anomaly" on that "woman" is a bomb. They're just trying to stop another plane from flying into a building or exploding, even though sometimes they seriously fail at their jobs.

Maybe she should have just let them run her through as a man. It didn't have to be a big scene, no one would have had to know, and she would have made her flight.

What do you think?
You're never going to believe this - I was standing next to this woman in line on Monday afternoon in the security line of the American Airlines terminal at Orlando International Airport.

Like her, I was traveling home to LA from Orlando on an American Airlines flight. Chances are good that we were probably slated to be on the same flight from MCO to LAX had this incident not occurred.

As an aside, I remember doing a double-take when I saw her because she's a very big person (i.e., tall with a large frame), but at the same time had long hair and feminine facial features, and was wearing traditionally female clothing. Catch was, she was on Grindr (a dating app for gay men, for those of you who are unaware), and that really tripped me out! But after a few seconds or so, I presumed she was transgender for that reason.

Although I did not personally witness the incident with this woman (I was in a separate yet parallel security line), I did experience a little run in with the same TSA officers on duty in that terminal at MCO at almost exactly the same time as this woman's incident.

The man standing directly in front of me in line was somewhere in the range of 75-80 years old, yet he still dutifully removed his shoes. For those of you who are unaware or don't travel by air frequently, travelers over the age of 70 or 75 - can't remember exactly what age - or who appear to be older than that age, do not have to remove their shoes at airport security. Perhaps this man was unaware of this regulation, but I'd like to think he was being an upstanding traveler and citizen.

As this man was removing his shoes (again, something that was unnecessary for this particular traveler), a loud, surly Puerto Rican-looking TSA officer comes over and shouts at the man to hurry along because he was taking too long to remove his shoes.

The man was cooperative and proceeded to hurry over the conveyor belt to drop off his belongings without uttering a word to the TSA officer (typical for someone of that generation - do as your told, be respectful, don't talk back to your elders or people in authority, etc.). However, the TSA officer proceeds to grab this man by the arm and escort him over to conveyor belt.

My stomach dropped. This man had done nothing wrong.

As the elderly man proceeds through the security line, I grab three bins and begin getting my laptop and liquids bag out of my backpack, and taking off my shoes. Now, mind you, I'm carrying a duffle bag as well, so it took me a few minutes to take off my shoes, remove everything from pockets, remove my laptop and liquids from my backpack and place everything on the conveyor belt.

As I was in the process of doing all of this, the same TSA officer comes over to me and literally grabs the last bin out of my hands, telling me, "You don't need this one," despite the fact I really did.

Before she was able to completely remove the bin from my hands, I snatched it back from her, and told her to back the **** off - I needed the bin, which is why I grabbed it in the first place.

After she walks away, I proceed to walk through the security checkpoint, shaking. On the other side, I approach a TSA officer and ask for the area supervisor, so I could report the TSA officer's actions.

Once I get a hold of the supervisor, I advise him of what happened. He was very grateful that I alerted him of the situation.

According to the supervisor, there were a bunch of new TSA agents who had just recently begun working at MCO. He knew who the agent I was referring to, and he advised me that she was part of the new batch. Still, he reiterated that her actions were unacceptable, despite the fact she was new, and that he was very grateful I advised him of the situation.

What I'm getting at is, there was a new batch of TSA officers working in the American Airlines terminal at MCO on Monday.

When someone is new on-the-job, as all of us who work know, there's a high level of ambiguity and unfamiliarity with regard to work-related tasks, proceedings, policies, etc., as there should be. Chances are, the officers that were involved in the incident with the transgender woman at the same terminal were new as well.

Does the potential that the officers involved in this incident may have been new employees excuse their actions and behavior? Absolutely not, but it perhaps offers some insight as to why the officers did what they did to this poor woman. They may have been completely unfamiliar with the proceedings surrounding how to process a transgender person through security checkpoints and reverted back to what they know to do.

You don't need a college degree to be a TSA officer - that's for sure!

Either that, or the supervisors and more senior officers fuses were strapped due to an incredibly high volume of travelers, which there was that particular day, in addition to training and supervising so many new employees. Therefore, they either didn't have the energy to process this traveler through security properly, or simply didn't have the bandwidth to keep up with monitoring all of the new hires around the clock, so incidents like this and mine slip through the cracks.

Furthermore, Florida is home to a lot of angry, bitter, surly, small-minded people and the standard of professionalism is very, very low there, so it doesn't surprise me that this incident occurred in Orlando. The TSA ***** that approached certainly epitomizes the Florida resident stereotype. Ugh!

I'm not justifying the actions of the TSA officers at the terminal, as I and others around me were also the victims of mistreatment by the same officers at the very same time - I'm just simply providing some context as to why this situation occurred and spiraled out of control.

But really though, something like this would ONLY happen in Florida. Gosh, what a wretched cesspool of humanity that place is! Yuck.

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