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There was once a time when the teachers, the principal, and students alike could beat you. Students at one time had the green card to give bullies a taste of their own medicine. Maybe it's time to bring that back.
Well yeah but especially with teachers and principals putting their hands on students it would get abusive fast.
As for students, not hitting bullies is an unintended consequence. People also never talked about bullying although until it was years later. Whether that was or wasn't because of "whining" is another issue.
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Originally Posted by OpinionInOcala
This is how schools have elected to operate, with increasing zeal, for two or more decades. With almost no exceptions, "No Tolerance" is inherently synonymous with 'No Self-Defense.' Such policy clearly deviates from the universally accepted legal principle that one may respond with reasonable and proportionate force in order to prevent injury to themselves or to those around them.
There's something fundamentally wrong with telling children that they have to accept and take (or idly observe) a physical beating in order to stay in school as well as out of prison.
Think of it this way, school is microcosm of the real world. Even before schools had zero-tolerance, one could be jailed or fined for self-defense in a fight despite not throwing the first punch. I've often said that the main difference now is that schools expedite the verdict and punishment faster than the traditional legal system. Why, because these actions require swifter responses. Schools can't let cases go a year or so because students may move or be redistricted so they need to issue, detention, mega detentions, in-school suspensions and suspensions rather fast. Expulsions however is a different story altogether due to the severity but it still don't take a year.
That wasn't a Sucker Punch. It was the right thing to do. If you're going to stop a fight, strike hard and fast. Only a PC pansy would try to reason with a punk who is beating up a smaller child, blind or not.
Completely agree. The only downside of "one-punching" a piece of trash like that is that when he's lying there unconscious, it's generally considered bad form to keep driving your fist into his face over and over again. So he gets off much easier than he deserved. Pity.
Don't bring literature into these threads; you are going over most heads.
Have you ever heard the audio-book version of WF? It's far different than reading it.
Explain (with reference to the audio-book of Jack London's White Fang).
It's a reflection on parenting or a lack there of.
Well "good parenting" gets punished as well for educating their own children on bullying.
My older son is 17 months older than my younger son, but disproportionately stronger. My younger son is also on the high-functioning end of the autism spectrum. The two generally enjoy an extraordinarily close and positive relationship.
In June 2008 my older son was getting a bit rowdy with my younger son. I sat my older son down on the stairs and told him in a stern voice that he is "never to pick on anyone smaller or weaker than him, for any reason." I thought nothing of it, just being a father.
That October my younger son was bothering his brother at school. My wife and I asked the school to separate them during the day as much as possible. The school psychologist called my older son in and asked him, for no reason, if h is "parents had ever done anything that frightened him." He told her that his father (me) had "put him on the stairs" the prior spring, and lectured him. The school recorded that I "pushed him down the stairs." My older son in vain tried to correct the report. The result was that we were "investigated" by Child Protective Services. A couple of months later we went to the superintendent to try to get the blemish cleared off my record. He said he "wished that more parents would do what I did" about bullying. I said "not if you call Child Protective Services."
The moral of the story; that the schools talk a good line about bullying but don't walk that line.
Well "good parenting" gets punished as well for educating their own children on bullying.
My older son is 17 months older than my younger son, but disproportionately stronger. My younger son is also on the high-functioning end of the autism spectrum. The two generally enjoy an extraordinarily close and positive relationship.
In June 2008 my older son was getting a bit rowdy with my younger son. I sat my older son down on the stairs and told him in a stern voice that he is "never to pick on anyone smaller or weaker than him, for any reason." I thought nothing of it, just being a father.
That October my younger son was bothering his brother at school. My wife and I asked the school to separate them during the day as much as possible. The school psychologist called my older son in and asked him, for no reason, if h is "parents had ever done anything that frightened him." He told her that his father (me) had "put him on the stairs" the prior spring, and lectured him. The school recorded that I "pushed him down the stairs." My older son in vain tried to correct the report. The result was that we were "investigated" by Child Protective Services. A couple of months later we went to the superintendent to try to get the blemish cleared off my record. He said he "wished that more parents would do what I did" about bullying. I said "not if you call Child Protective Services."
The moral of the story; that the schools talk a good line about bullying but don't walk that line.
Even still, parents that don't or can't set boundaries on their children will have problems. That is the point I was making about the reflection on parenting or a lack there of. Not that good parents are undermined by CPS being called.
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