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While I am certainly no sympathizer with most of what's going on in Europe with these "refugees". I can't help but be sickened by the profoundly unChristian manner in which these Brits decided to "engage" their neighbors.
If walking through a British town with a cross is unChristian then what would threatening people's safety and telling them you've taken over be?
I don't think the backstory was clear enough though I'm guessing that this is the result past actions by the Muslims living in that area and their actions towards non-Muslims.
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Absolutely concur - the Britain First group have it wrong - most white Brits are (thank god!) not religious. The UK is primarily, and should remain, a secular country. Where the British Christians have it right is to expose an Islamist agenda on the part of some.
So you're saying that Britain is NOT a Christian country, founded and run by the Church of England for a millennia?
Please explain the King/Queen of England and their being the head of said church.
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I initially felt that way, but then I realized all they did was walk through the neighborhood with crosses and were attacked. If they had just been allowed to walk through the neighborhood without attack, then we wouldn't even have any problems. They should be able to walk through a British town with crosses.
I assume there's a history in that town along the lines of a Christian "no go" zone where Sharia Law and such have taken hold and this group is tired of it then decided to highlight it.
The question for them (Britain) now is how do you dismantle/thwart such beliefs now that they've taken root.
Maybe have weekend BBQ comps in the middle of town?
Muslims and Christians fighting among themselves, which group is watching and laughing? This group is fighting the wrong crowd. They think they are doing the right thing, but they are just being played.
don't answer, otherwise you will probably get flagged by a mod not being PC
The question for them (Britain) now is how do you dismantle/thwart such beliefs now that they've taken root.
Maybe have weekend BBQ comps in the middle of town?
If walking through a British town with a cross is unChristian then what would threatening people's safety and telling them you've taken over be?
I don't think the backstory was clear enough though I'm guessing that this is the result past actions by the Muslims living in that area and their actions towards non-Muslims.
So you're saying that Britain is NOT a Christian country, founded and run by the Church of England for a millennia?
Please explain the King/Queen of England and their being the head of said church.
I assume there's a history in that town along the lines of a Christian "no go" zone where Sharia Law and such have taken hold and this group is tired of it then decided to highlight it.
The question for them (Britain) now is how do you dismantle/thwart such beliefs now that they've taken root.
Maybe have weekend BBQ comps in the middle of town?
back story is that Britain First are a bunch of fascist wankers trying ( and failing ) to stir up hatred
The Queen of England is used to bring in tourists and we put her head on our stamps and that's about it, she has many titles but they are just that. Titles. She's the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces which means she watches soldiers parade in front of her ever so often, she has no say in what the armed forces actually do
Christianity/religion plays little part in England now - Sunday mornings most people are out walking the dogs, reading the paper, playing footy or down the pub
There's no Sharia Law anywhere in England, there are no no-go zones
back story is that Britain First are a bunch of fascist wankers trying ( and failing ) to stir up hatred
The Queen of England is used to bring in tourists and we put her head on our stamps and that's about it, she has many titles but they are just that. Titles. She's the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces which means she watches soldiers parade in front of her ever so often, she has no say in what the armed forces actually do
Christianity/religion plays little part in England now - Sunday mornings most people are out walking the dogs, reading the paper, playing footy or down the pub
There's no Sharia Law anywhere in England, there are no no-go zones
Not according to ex-police officers free to speak their minds (ie the people who actually have to go to places, not armchair theorists). Of course you can say what you want to pretend its all rosy - the concrete PC view. But that's intellectually dishonest. There are some no-go areas.
You are entirely right about the basic irrelevance of religion in England otherwise. Its a modern secular state with some touristy decorations from the past, like the Queen and the great architecture and ruins.
This looks staged, however I think its real. Folks showed some real sentimental emotion in this video about identity with Britain. As for Britain's rise of Muslims living there? Britain should blame itself for having an empire where nearly a good portion of its subjects were Muslims. When British Empire dissolved plenty of Muslims from former British colonies in South Asia, Middle East and Africa migrated to Britain to make up for labor shortages during the Cold War Period. This clash between Christian and Muslim, East VS West is not going to subsided anytime soon in the near future. Europe as a whole is in big trouble. In the former European colonies of the Western Hempisphere, like here in the US, Canada, Brazil, Mexico and Argentina, Muslims and other religious sects assimilate after 1 generation or even sooner. Europe as a whole is in big trouble due to the fact that they alienate, and marginalize ethnic religious groups and minorities which can fan Islamic extremism, but on the flip side this can cause reactionary groups like right wing fascists and left wing soclaist or communist to take over. Remember World War 2 and Cold War and the atrocities committed by fascists and communists?
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That's rather harsh and insulting to millions of peaceful people don't you think?
I think you could say that very same thing about rabid followers of any belief system, be it religion, anti-religion or anti-fur, animal rights, vegans,environmentalists etc.
Rabid and unquestioning belief in anything while suspending one's common sense,common decency and sense of right and wrong is the bigger issue in my mind.
You are correct (on all counts).
Devout anything usually leads to suspense of common sense, common decency, etc. Yes, atheism, vegans, etc. also fall into this category.
I am not against religion. I am not an atheist (I think atheism falls into the category of its own fanaticism). I'm not religious but I wouldn't necessarily ban any faith from being practiced unless it infringes on the safety, rights, and well being of others.
The point I was trying to make is that these confrontations between the Christians and Muslims in Britain - where both sides are screaming at each other without listening to each other - defies common sense and the common denominator is (extreme) religion. One set of devout followers is yelling at the other set of devout followers over which book (Bible / Quran) is more correct and spatting over territory (or country) like a bunch of feral cats.
Religion is the problem. Religion is the root of all of these problems. None of these conversations or confrontations would be taking place if it weren't for religion.
F**k Islam and f**k Christianity. F**k religion.
Communism killed more people than religion did in the 20th century. The problem isn't religion specifically, the problem is any ideology that is intolerant of dissent. Those types of ideologies can be secular or spiritual in nature.
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or anti-fur, animal rights, vegans,environmentalists etc.
