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Old 01-30-2016, 07:53 AM
 
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It's really naive to think that if federal land was ceded to the states that they would allow the likes of Bundy to graze on it for 1/10 the market value. Land management is an expensive business, it would require states hiring hundreds if not thousands of people and developing the infrastructure to manage the land. A more likely scenario is that States would sell the property to the highest bidders leaving ranchers at the mercy of corporations like the Koch's and General Mills and whatever oil companies are interested in expanding their fracking or oil drilling operations
& let's face it, Cliven Bundy still owes $1 million in grazing fees. Does anyone really believe he has any intention of paying past, present or future grazing fees to anyone?

Consider also the likelihood that Cliven's son, Ammon, has any intention of paying the $530,000 Federal Loan made to him? These types of loans are made "to aid small businesses which are unable to obtain financing in the private credit marketplace."

Cliven Bundy still hasn't paid any grazing fees. Ammon owns a Valet Fleet Service Company. How likely is it that he has any intention of paying his loan?

These guys have a sense of entitlement unlike the 'common folk'. Like you & me.
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Old 01-30-2016, 07:54 AM
 
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Bundy already did say that from jail through his lawyer and his wife.
And I suspect he will keep saying it as the judge has ruled none of them get bonded out until they'e all gone home.
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Old 01-30-2016, 08:05 AM
 
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Federal grazing fee last year was $1.69/month per animal unit, one cow and her calf. That's grazing a cow and her calf for $20.28 year.

Ranchers are supposed maintain things such water troughs and so forth, but still. If you can't make a living grazing cattle at twenty bucks a year for a cow and her calf, you need to take a closer look at your business plan.
I get what you're saying here & agree. Personally, $20.28/year sounds very reasonable to me. Although, as opposed to free & unlimited?

Some folks, like Cliven Bundy, have unlimited & free grazing for as many cows as they want. Honestly, they seem to be protesting for the right to continue to do so. While other, apparently more ordinary folks, continue to pay their fees. & some even seem willing to sacrifice their lives in order to protect Cliven Bundy's sense of entitlement & his right to continue to avoid paying any grazing fees.

The Bundy family seem to be con artists extraordianire.
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Old 01-30-2016, 08:11 AM
 
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What's the status on the arrest of these domestic terrorists? Rumor has it that the Feds are scared for their lives so we should be expecting more casualties right?
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Old 01-30-2016, 08:13 AM
 
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Rumor has it that the Feds are scared for their lives so we should be expecting more casualties right?
Where'd you hear that 'rumor'?
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Old 01-30-2016, 08:23 AM
 
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Where'd you hear that 'rumor'?
The terrorists are armed with assault weapons right? It's only right to assume that those militia terrorists have every intention of harming our heroes. Probably heard it from Fox News
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Old 01-30-2016, 08:27 AM
 
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What's the status on the arrest of these domestic terrorists? Rumor has it that the Feds are scared for their lives so we should be expecting more casualties right?
Rumor has it the remaining 'militants' are scared $hitless, expecting another big box of dildos to be delivered any minute.
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Old 01-30-2016, 08:35 AM
 
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Federal grazing fee last year was $1.69/month per animal unit, one cow and her calf. That's grazing a cow and her calf for $20.28 year.

Ranchers are supposed maintain things such water troughs and so forth, but still. If you can't make a living grazing cattle at twenty bucks a year for a cow and her calf, you need to take a closer look at your business plan.
A rancher pays for the year, but only puts cattle on for the time the BLM says they can.


The original agreement might state 10 weeks, or 6 weeks, or something else. But the BLM can, and does, change the terms. The BLM might require a rancher to fence an area, manage noxious forage, keep cattle/sheep off part of the lease, call you and tell you to get your animals off in three days. Materials and labor not reimbursed. It's on the rancher.




If you can make a living in spite of not being able to count on your suppliers you are doing real well.
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Old 01-30-2016, 08:37 AM
 
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rumor has it the remaining 'militants' are scared $hitless, expecting another big box of dildos to be delivered any minute.
lol
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Old 01-30-2016, 08:38 AM
 
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Oregon standoff holdouts now want pardons for all involved

The last holdouts in the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge standoff say they now want pardons for everyone involved before they'll leave the headquarters where they're holed up behind police roadblocks. "Before we leave, every single one of the people involved in this operation should be pardoned," occupier David Fry said in a feed posted to YouTube just before noon Friday.

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