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Interesting.
Of course, if the shop owner broke the law we should also be wary of talking his word, should we not?
Also, not all abuse leaves marks that would be visible in the linked photos.
This is why vigilante justice is rightly not the preferred method - it does a terrible job considering all the facts and not relying overly on emotion.
My version of the vigilante justice would be a little different. First they would not have kept their underwear.They would have received a good bare bottom paddling and then be allowed to leave with no calls to the police. Would they be stupid enough to tell the police they were butt naked outside because a man they tried to rob took their clothes and beat them.
Isn't Orange County in California? Anyway, this reminds me of a very similar real life true crime case that I heard about yesterday. It occurred in MN. Two teenagers broke into a senior homeowner's house on Thanksgiving Day 2012. This man's home had been burglarized several times before, including multiple times by these same teens, and he had surveillance footage to prove the teens broke in.
Once they entered the home, the homeowner emerged from the basement and shot both teens to death. He was convicted of murder for several reasons, one being the teenagers were not armed, another being he waited 24 hours before calling police after the shooting, and a third that he had an audiotape of the killing in which the man said some very unsavory things about the burglars. The community was very polarized on the case. Why would he be convicted? The teenagers were invading his home, had done so before, and deserved everything they got. The police said the man was lying in wait for something to happen and he used excessive force. Is it vigilante justice to do something to burglars when they are invading your property? That's different than killing someone when they aren't threatening you at the time (i.e. shooting a child molester who victimized your son/daughter after the fact.) That's vigilante justice, IMO.
I was always under the impression that if you shoot someone during a home invastion that was perfectly legal. I heard a quote from an officer that said "make sure they fall inside the house".
As for this story I too feel no sympathy for these punks. But the laws that led to the shop owner's arrest exist for a reason. You simply can not allow citizens to take the law into their own hands. And kidnapping and assault is illegal.
I am all for castle doctrine and self-defense, but loose cannons who torture their perpetrators are more likely to bring problems for responsible gun posession/usage than actually shooting people.
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Originally Posted by Scooby Snacks
Isn't Orange County in California?
There are at least 8 (eight) Orange counties in the US.
Am I supposed to feel sorry for those poor crooks? Don't rob stores and you don't have to worry.
Exactly. If you don't want this sort of thing happening, then it's very simple--leave other people's belongings alone. Period. If it's not yours, don't touch it. Get off your lazy [donkey] and earn it.
I'm certainly not condoning burglary but do you believe that burglars can also be the victim of a crime or can one do whatever they want to a burglar?
How about other instances of law breaking?
Most people can't answer your question they are filled with raw emotions they believe if you commit a crime you deserve death,beatings,etc..
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It will be interesting to see how the District Attorney handles this.
