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Isn't Orange County in California? Anyway, this reminds me of a very similar real life true crime case that I heard about yesterday. It occurred in MN. Two teenagers broke into a senior homeowner's house on Thanksgiving Day 2012. This man's home had been burglarized several times before, including multiple times by these same teens, and he had surveillance footage to prove the teens broke in.
Once they entered the home, the homeowner emerged from the basement and shot both teens to death. He was convicted of murder for several reasons, one being the teenagers were not armed, another being he waited 24 hours before calling police after the shooting, and a third that he had an audiotape of the killing in which the man said some very unsavory things about the burglars. The community was very polarized on the case. Why would he be convicted? The teenagers were invading his home, had done so before, and deserved everything they got. The police said the man was lying in wait for something to happen and he used excessive force. Is it vigilante justice to do something to burglars when they are invading your property? That's different than killing someone when they aren't threatening you at the time (i.e. shooting a child molester who victimized your son/daughter after the fact.) That's vigilante justice, IMO.
Actually there are two Orange counties one in Florida ( where Orlando is ) and one in California. I have mixed feelings about the man in the story too. I have a feeling correct me if it is wrong that if one of the teens had not been female they jury may have gone lighter on him.
NOTE: I hesitate to use the phrasing "punished by the law" because I'm a strong believer that punishment should not be the main goal of our legal system.
Though the main goal of our legal system should be protection of the citizens in recent years it seems like crime increased quite a bit and perhaps law & order needs somewhat of an encouragement to get back on track.
Technology has increased incidents of people being stolen from via digital banking.
Technology has increased incidents of child pornography being distributed.
Technology has given us a new form of Christmas lights that are considered "one plug" and now they are a hot new item for thieves to grab.
Maybe it is time to punish some of the criminals who victimize us the common people who are just trying to mind our own business and exist.
Actually I can see a good argument for finger amputations coming back in style for thieves.
Now wait a minute. That nasty owner was discriminating against them by waiting there with a gun. He should be punished not the two innocents who were simply burglarizing his store.
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Do you honestly think that this comment adds anything to the discussion?
Maybe a little sarcastic Unfortunately that is almost the was some people feel now days.
Kind of reminds me of the action movies series Taken criminals mess with the wrong guy. I did some google searching on burglars which robbed mobsters homes interesting reading what happend to those guys. If someone invaded my home I would have no issue shooting them would sleep like a baby that night knowing I stopped them.
That's a shopkeeper that can honestly say...you messed with the wrong guy today.
Personally, I don't care if they had full video and audio from 15 different camera locations. Shopkeeper is innocent. If dude got hurt in conjunction with committing a felony, that's too bad.
Again, it appears that you're condoning breaking the law (impeding an investigation) in order to punish people for breaking the law and that seems quite curious.
And if that taking it too far was in violation of the law, he should feel the effects of the law, no?
No. There's 'right', there's 'wrong', and there's the 'law'...and those things don't always match up.
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You can find someone willing to support about any position.
I can't imagine that it is more than a infinitesimally small portion of the populace who believes burglars shouldn't be disciplined by the law. And making these types of statement is pointless.
Of course the burglars should be accountable under the law
So should the shop owner if he violated the law.
I don't see how any thinking person can disagree with the above.
That's a myopic, stick-in-the...craw attitude. The 'criminal justice' doesn't mete out much 'justice' these days and recidivism is high, the deterrent effect is practically nil. I think pretty well, and as far as I'm concerned, anybody that breaks into someone else's home or business to take what isn't theirs deserves whatever they get if the owner catches them...up to, and including, dead, however long and painful that journey may be.
Me, I don't dial 9-1-1, before or after...and there's some that have learned that the hard way...wait, actually, I *did* dial 9-1-1, once, while I was chasin' four miscreants to hell and gone. They eventually got away 'cause I'd been cut up pretty bad with a broken bottle and had a broken hand, my steering wheel was too slick with blood and I lost 'em. Cops weren't any use either, never did catch 'em. But I'll tell you what, those four were scared witless when they found out that by taking a bite out of me, they had bit off way more than they could chew.
I have to disagree w/ this, I actually laughed when I read it thinking of what type punishment/slap on the wrist(probation, most likely) they would of got with our justice system vs. what the store owner gave them.
IMO the burglar's got what they deserved.
---and get yourself punished in the process?? (meaning the shop owner). I mean, lets remember here, the owner himself was also arrested and given a number of charges, not to mention the his other two companions who walked in later. Given what they supposedly did, I doubt all charges will be just dropped, at least as the owner is concerned. I don't find that 'better' than the lawful alternative...hardly. He would had been better off calling the authorities soon as he found them. He is now in effect paying partly himself for their alleged crime of breaking and entering.
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