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Old 01-29-2017, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Have you ever heard of biodegradable toilet paper?
The Park Service is concerned that it will be dug up by animals, according to the link I gave previously. All TP is designed to break down. The question is how long it will take.

Packing out waste, including toilet paper, is part of the "leave no trace" concept:

https://www.rei.com/learn/expert-adv...-no-trace.html
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Old 01-29-2017, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Type 0.73 Kardashev
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The National Park Service wants visitors to areas where there are no toilets to pack out their poop or bury it:

https://www.nps.gov/commercialservic...management.htm

Of burial is chosen, toilet paper should still be bagged and brought out for disposal.

Hunters should do the same. It is a courtesy to others who will be in the same area.
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Have you ever heard of biodegradable toilet paper?
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The Park Service is concerned that it will be dug up by animals, according to the link I gave previously. All TP is designed to break down. The question is how long it will take.

Packing out waste, including toilet paper, is part of the "leave no trace" concept:

https://www.rei.com/learn/expert-adv...-no-trace.html
In part, it really depends on the area. Many trails in parks see a lot of traffic. The human waste would pile up. On the other hand, if someone is trekking cross-country where few people ever go then natural processes can keep up with rate of human waste production. And animals digging up poo is primarily a function of improper burying.

But it's also a matter of climate. In some place like Olympic National Park, much of which lies in a temperate rainforest, decomposition is relatively rapid. Conversely, in desert parks (Grand Canyon, Death Valley, Big Bend, etc.) or in alpine regions (the John Muir Trail in the Sierra Nevada is over 200 miles long, passes through three national parks, and rarely tips below 8000 feet) soil tends to be very thin where it exists at all, and the dry air results in very slow decomposition.
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Old 01-30-2017, 09:32 PM
 
Location: South Texas
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The right not to let your animal defecate anywhere? That's rich.
No, their right to freely practice their religion. You may have heard of it, it's found in the Free Exercise clause of the First Amendment to the Unites States Constitution.


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Funny... this is a story specifically about a religious group that wants the special privilege of ignoring a secular law that everyone else has to follow.
There is established precedent for allowing religious practices that violate secular law, such as the consumption of peyote by Native Americans.


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Just like there are laws requiring dog owners to clean of the feces of their animals, so too are there such laws for horse crap.
False equivalence, there is no religious faith that forbids putting "undergarments" on canines.


This entire discussion strikes at the heart of why the Establishment and Free Exercise clauses of First Amendment were written: to ensure that government could not force its will upon those who wish to practice, or abstain from practicing, religion. Thank God the Amendment was ratified as written.
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Old 01-31-2017, 05:01 PM
 
Location: At the corner of happy and free
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No, their right to freely practice their religion. You may have heard of it, it's found in the Free Exercise clause of the First Amendment to the Unites States Constitution.



There is established precedent for allowing religious practices that violate secular law, such as the consumption of peyote by Native Americans.



False equivalence, there is no religious faith that forbids putting "undergarments" on canines.


This entire discussion strikes at the heart of why the Establishment and Free Exercise clauses of First Amendment were written: to ensure that government could not force its will upon those who wish to practice, or abstain from practicing, religion. Thank God the Amendment was ratified as written.
Are you suggesting the Amish's faith prohibits them from putting "undergarments" on horses?
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Old 02-01-2017, 08:58 PM
 
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I suggest the neighbors go by the Amish farms and blare heavy metal music at 2 am.
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Old 02-03-2017, 03:40 PM
 
Location: South Texas
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Are you suggesting the Amish's faith prohibits them from putting "undergarments" on horses?
I'm merely echoing what a previous poster in this topic has already stated.
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Old 02-07-2017, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Asia
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I can't imagine what "religious belief" would be violated by wrapping a cloth around their horses's hiney. Seriously???
Yeah. That claim sounds like horse crap to me.
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