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Old 03-17-2018, 11:17 AM
 
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I'm never away from my dog often, but I've boarded a few times at a vet's kennel. Although they missed me, they were always alive and healthy when I picked them up.

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This was not a vacation they were moving.
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Old 03-17-2018, 11:22 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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The needs of humans should win. See Animal Rights v. Peoples' Rights; People Trump Animals.
The needs of animals ARE the needs of humans. This dog was in the air because his humans needed to move him not because he had any rights", don't be ridiculous.
If you look at the OP it makes the point that many times pet owners are advocating their own selfish rights, not the "rights" of their pets:
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A frequent and indeed inevitable topic of discussion is the rights of pet owners vs. non-pet owners in public facilities. Some consider it the rights of domesticated animals as opposed to the rights of people.
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Old 03-17-2018, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Illinois
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So she called your scrunched up coat a box, apparently it still wasn't all the way under the seat. You knew what she meant.
I guessed the obvious i.e. Box = Raincoat and scrunched it down even further as I said above.

So, no I didn’t know what she meant. Pretty amazing how someone on the Internet can take their crystal ball out and explain this incident to me from 20+ years ago – no wonder misunderstandings still occur even today.
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Old 03-17-2018, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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You are allowed to get out of your seat and retrieve personal belongs from the overhead bins once the seatbelt sign is turned off. Its only during landing and takeoff that the FAs are very particular about the aisles being clear.

She could have also asked another FA about the situation.

I just csnnot understand howbshe could just sit therw for 3 hours and 25 minutes while her dog died, and do nothing about it. Not once did she think to check on her dog.
The child said they were concerned about the dog but were not allowed to get up because of turbulence. It's not true that "Not once did she think to check on her dog."
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Old 03-17-2018, 12:52 PM
 
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I guessed the obvious i.e. Box = Raincoat and scrunched it down even further as I said above.

So, no I didn’t know what she meant. Pretty amazing how someone on the Internet can take their crystal ball out and explain this incident to me from 20+ years ago – no wonder misunderstandings still occur even today.
When she told you the box needs to be underneath the seat, you said that you tried squishing your raincoat further under the seat. So it seems like you did know what she was talking about, you were just trying to be difficult.
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Old 03-17-2018, 12:56 PM
 
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If you look at the OP it makes the point that many times pet owners are advocating their own selfish rights, not the "rights" of their pets:
Sorry, it isn’t any more “selfish” than traveling with babies is, if the definition of selfish you’re using is potential impact on fellow travelers.
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Old 03-17-2018, 01:01 PM
 
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The child said they were concerned about the dog but were not allowed to get up because of turbulence.
The whole 3 hours and 25 minutes? That seems very unlikely.

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It's not true that "Not once did she think to check on her dog."
Do you have a link that says otherwise? Everything I've read said she did not check on the dog once during the flight. She put it in the overhead bin before the flight took off in Houston, and didnt check on the dog again until the flight was at the gate in New York.
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Old 03-17-2018, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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The whole 3 hours and 25 minutes? That seems very unlikely.



Do you have a link that says otherwise? Everything I've read said she did not check on the dog once during the flight. She put it in the overhead bin before the flight took off in Houston, and didnt check on the dog again until the flight was at the gate in New York.
The young girl said they were concerned but they were not allowed to get up because of turbulence.

Why can't you accept that not every traveler is as sophisticated as you are and not every dog owner as knowledgeable?

You or I might have opened the carrier and shown the dog to the FA and insisted that he be put under the seat, where the bag is designed to go, removing any other carry-ons and putting them in the overhead bin instead. This passenger was not happy but deferred to the insistence of the FA. After all, the FA is supposed to be a professional and know what she is doing.

The FA was wrong. Her action was the root cause of the dog's death.
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Old 03-17-2018, 01:26 PM
 
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Sorry, it isn’t any more “selfish” than traveling with babies is, if the definition of selfish you’re using is potential impact on fellow travelers.

Big difference. A baby is a PERSON. A dog is an ANIMAL.
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Old 03-17-2018, 01:29 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Sorry, it isn’t any more “selfish” than traveling with babies is, if the definition of selfish you’re using is potential impact on fellow travelers.
The right of a dog not to be in a kennel is less important than the right of a baby to be with its parents. Sorry.
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