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It's very different in the military IMO. You can quit and work in a different company in the outside world. These people are basically captive and required to follow orders and obey superiors. It has to be this way for military readiness for war. So when these situations arise in the military it must be stamped out. It is not "personal choice". It is wrong.
We are not required to follow unlawful orders.
This guy should have been kicked in the you know what.
This guy should have been kicked in the you know what.
The woman in question didn’t know it was unlawful at the time. It sounds like he just told her to stand at attention, at which point he leaned in and assaulted her. I don’t think people in an office environment typically think that standing at attention is going to result in sexual assault. It’s not like he was like “please come into this dimly lit and otherwise unstaffed storage room with me for no good reason.”
The woman in question didn’t know it was unlawful at the time. It sounds like he just told her to stand at attention, at which point he leaned in and assaulted her. I don’t think people in an office environment typically think that standing at attention is going to result in sexual assault. It’s not like he was like “please come into this dimly lit and otherwise unstaffed storage room with me for no good reason.”
had he not been telling everyone exactly what he was going to do?
had he not been telling everyone exactly what he was going to do?
He said he was going to do that at a promotion ceremony, which is why she declined the promotion ceremony.
I doubt she thought he'd do it right there in the open workcenter in front of the entire office. I don't think anyone thought he'd do something like that.
Just this morning, I discussed this with a male retired Air Force colonel and a female retired Marine colonel (husband and wife), and they were both aghast and incredulous that anyone was such an idiot. The normal response is to Google it, because it's just that hard to believe. They also both find it hard to believe he was not dismissed with removal of his retirement benefits.
OTOH, the Reserves can be a world of a different mindset from active duty.
He said he was going to do that at a promotion ceremony, which is why she declined the promotion ceremony.
I doubt she thought he'd do it right there in the open workcenter in front of the entire office. I don't think anyone thought he'd do something like that.
Just this morning, I discussed this with a male retired Air Force colonel and a female retired Marine colonel (husband and wife), and they were both aghast and incredulous that anyone was such an idiot. The normal response is to Google it, because it's just that hard to believe. They also both find it hard to believe he was not dismissed with removal of his retirement benefits.
OTOH, the Reserves can be a world of a different mindset from active duty.
I think it’s hard to believe within any work environment. FWIW, I had a coworker who was in the reserves. He was blatantly sexist in some regards and told us that his CO talked to him regularly about how his behavior was not appropriate. I’m not talking anything remotely sexual in nature. For example, he refused to be in a vehicle where a woman was driving.
There is no IF. He assaulted her in front of work colleagues after ordering her to stand.
As for remember when...no, I wasn't yet born in 1948 when the Women's Armed Services Integration Act was signed into law officially allowing women to serve as full, permanent members of all branches of the Armed Forces. Do you? How silly that you think that women's service is a new thing WTF.
There you go again. "Harmless" sexual aggression at work. "Playful" sexual assault.
God, the extent some of you males will go to defend your perverted bros. But consider how you would react if your boss felt free to grab your genitals in front of your coworkers as a show of dominance.
I am still not sure exactly what motorboating is, and only have the suspicion of what it is based on the movie clip I posted. So if it is putting ones head into a woman's cleavage and blowing air, I am not sure that is a sexual assault.
[sure by todays leftist standards even verbally complimenting a woman can get you in trouble, but lets not reduce sexual assault to minor incidents, when compared to the serious stuff that is totally unacceptable]
Sure it is not appropriate, and why he would do such a thing seems crazy (maybe he was drunk or high), but should he entire career and pension be trashed over the fact he did something stupid that otherwise wouldn't have happened if not for women being in the military.
I am not blaming her, rather the fools that in the past claiming there would be no problem with having young men and women in close proximity with each other. The guys are there to be trained to be killers, not be thinking about women they will see every day.
Heck the activists want women on submarines, which if you understand what serving on a sub is like, inadvertent body contact is going to occur as part of daily life.
I am not talking about women serving at all, just that they have no business in combat, as the standards are always lowered for their physical inabilities, instead of the team being the best warrior fighting force possible.
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Hmmmmm. You make a strong case for men being barred from military service.
I am sure some would love that, but when it comes to boots on the ground in harms way, you do not want to have a bunch of women you must depend your life on.
I'd bet if you had a son who was going into battle, you wouldn't want him to entrust his life to the physical weakness of a woman who could not pass the physical standards all the guys had to.
What the...I'm dizzy from the poorly performed mental gymnastics here.
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So if it is putting ones head into a woman's cleavage and blowing air, I am not sure that is a sexual assault.
It legally qualifies as such.
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I am not blaming her, rather the fools that in the past claiming there would be no problem with having young men and women in close proximity with each other.
The captain was an old guy, not some fresh young pup with bad judgement because he was "trained to be a killer."
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but should he entire career and pension be trashed over the fact he did something stupid that otherwise wouldn't have happened if not for women being in the military
Maybe you missed the part where he gets to keep his pension?
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I am not talking about women serving at all, just that they have no business in combat,
I don't think you understand. This didn't happen on the middle of a battlefield or otherwise "in combat." It happened in an office.
SMH.
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