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Well, if you retire from the Army as a Captain, i.e. O-3, your career was hardly that distinguished. Navy Captain is a different deal and is a typical retirement rank for career officers of about 20 years of service. Army or Air Force this would be Colonel. Maybe he did a significant part of his career as enlisted and only got into the officer corps after that.
Motorboating, indeed. Well, the *******s insist that we integrate ladies into all parts of the military. I could have told you this sort of thing would result, had you asked.
Uh huh. So you're comfortable with this because you expected it? Because you can imagine not being able to resist the opportunity to humiliate a female co-worker yourself?
That said, and while I do not condone his conduct if he sexually assaulted the subordinate, but remember when those demanding women be allowed to serve with men in the military, claimed it could be done with any any problems?
What are you talking about?
There is no IF. He assaulted her in front of work colleagues after ordering her to stand.
As for remember when...no, I wasn't yet born in 1948 when the Women's Armed Services Integration Act was signed into law officially allowing women to serve as full, permanent members of all branches of the Armed Forces. Do you? How silly that you think that women's service is a new thing WTF.
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Yet many a male has been demoted, charged, and yes even lost their pension over actions deemed to be sexual in nature, even if it was harmless play or commentary.
There you go again. "Harmless" sexual aggression at work. "Playful" sexual assault.
God, the extent some of you males will go to defend your perverted bros. But consider how you would react if your boss felt free to grab your genitals in front of your coworkers as a show of dominance.
That said, and while I do not condone his conduct if he sexually assaulted the subordinate, but remember when those demanding women be allowed to serve with men in the military, claimed it could be done with any any problems?
Yet many a male has been demoted, charged, and yes even lost their pension over actions deemed to be sexual in nature, even if it was harmless play or commentary.
Hmmmmm. You make a strong case for men being barred from military service.
The Tennessee Air National Guard colonel who led a re-enlistment ceremony in which a senior noncommissioned officer recited her oath using a dinosaur puppet has been immediately retired at the rank of lieutenant colonel.
The former general in charge of U.S. Air Force Warfare Center -- removed from command due to an alleged unprofessional relationship -- was demoted to colonel following an investigation into his behavior, according to an Air Force Inspector General report released Friday.
WASHINGTON — The Army has stripped Maj. Gen. David Haight of three ranks, Army Secretary Eric Fanning said Friday,*following revelations contained in documents and interviews of Haight's decade-long extramarital affair and “swinger lifestyle.
There is nothing the military can't do to punish someone. They can even go after the pension of retirees who smoke weed or break the law (but obviously they won't, save for rare occasions).
It was one of the many reasons I decided to get out after over a decade.
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Its absurd to try to regulate it though, its going to happen despite the rules being in place.
It's absurd to regulate assault?
You mean besides being fired, being sued, going to jail, being labeled a sex offender, and having a criminal record?
Are you drunk? Enforcing the LAWS are how you help prevent anarchy, and assault is included as one of those laws.
There is nothing the military can't do to punish someone. They can even go after the pension of retirees who smoke weed or break the law (but obviously they won't, save for rare occasions).
It was one of the many reasons I decided to get out after over a decade.
I explained that a bit more thoroughly in post #76. Sorry you went to so much trouble unnecessarily.
Those are not actually demotions.
Officer promotions are not always considered permanent, depending on Congressional allocations and other factors. An officer serving in a "temporary" rank can be returned to the last held permanent rank, usually by failing in the temporary rank, but sometimes because the position goes away for other reasons.
An officer can hold multiple levels of temporary ranks. The article on that general specifically mentions that he was being fast-tracked. That happened to President Nixon's Chief of Staff, General Alexander Haig, who went from Lt Colonel to full general in four years. Being named chief of staff by the president, the Army essentially gave him four stars because of the position.
If you'll notice in those cases, the officers were retired at their permanent ranks. Yes, there are things the military cannot do to punish someone.
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You claimed officers cannot be demoted, they can. They can be administratively demoted. Even after retirement.
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Almost a year after pleading guilty to repeatedly sexually abusing his daughter decades prior, retired Army Maj. Gen. James Grazioplene was demoted to second lieutenant by the Secretary of Defense in May.
No, there is nothing the military cannot do to punish someone, so long as you are collecting their paychecks.
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retirees are technically still subject to military law that forbids pot smoking anywhere, including Washington state and Colorado where recreational marijuana use is now allowed.
Well, that certainly was a special case. Normally for aggravated sexual assault of a minor--actual rape--the officer would normally have been dismissed from service with no retirement benefits...and sent to prison. But because of the statute of limitations, the normal action couldn't be taken. The Secretary of Defense took a very special measure in that case. Such an exceptional case does not make a rule.
But notice--he still retains a military officer commission and is still receiving retirement benefits. That is better than being dismissed.
I never disputed that retirees are subject to military law. That was not the question.
As a military retiree, I'm certainly very much aware that I am still subject to military law.
There is no IF. He assaulted her in front of work colleagues after ordering her to stand.
As for remember when...no, I wasn't yet born in 1948 when the Women's Armed Services Integration Act was signed into law officially allowing women to serve as full, permanent members of all branches of the Armed Forces. Do you? How silly that you think that women's service is a new thing WTF.
There you go again. "Harmless" sexual aggression at work. "Playful" sexual assault.
God, the extent some of you males will go to defend your perverted bros. But consider how you would react if your boss felt free to grab your genitals in front of your coworkers as a show of dominance.
Women had been working as secretaries for at least 20-30 years. I had a great aunt who worked as a secretary at a military base or two during likely during this period and I don’t recall any stories of anyone coming over and biting a button or brooch on her chest. The woman in question was also in an office setting. It hasn’t been acceptable for men to randomly grope or bite female employees for a long time.
Officers can be administratively demoted, even after retirement. That case was from last year, not the 1950s.
The military has a very wide range of punishment for anyone still collecting paychecks.
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Those who retire from active duty are still subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. The Supreme Court upheld that precedent in 2019 when it declined to hear the case of a retired Marine who was court-martialed for a sexual assault that happened three months after he left the service.
Women had been working as secretaries for at least 20-30 years. I had a great aunt who worked as a secretary at a military base or two during likely during this period and I don’t recall any stories of anyone coming over and biting a button or brooch on her chest. The woman in question was also in an office setting. It hasn’t been acceptable for men to randomly grope or bite female employees for a long time.
It hasn't been acceptable to women. Unfortunately, some men still find this behavior to perfectly acceptable, as evidenced by this thread.
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