Has anyone relocated or thought of relocating due to COL/traffic/overall crowdedness? (Denver: buy, school)

[MN_Ski]

^ I also think that our generation will move on to the next big thing once we start growing up. I was making a joke the other day about the hipster trends on the past ten years. Mountains, beards, flannel, urban living, etc...it would be funny if living on the plains, or in some agricultural region, will become the next trendy lifestyle. Hipsters buying plots of land to farm, wearing straw hats and shirtless bibs, square dancing, etc...idk. Places like Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, etc start getting mass influxes of people. Nothing will surprise me

[N610DL]

Originally Posted by MN_Ski

^ I also think that our generation will move on to the next big thing once we start growing up. I was making a joke the other day about the hipster trends on the past ten years. Mountains, beards, flannel, urban living, etc...it would be funny if living on the plains, or in some agricultural region, will become the next trendy lifestyle. Hipsters buying plots of land to farm, wearing straw hats and shirtless bibs, square dancing, etc...idk. Places like Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, etc start getting mass influxes of people. Nothing will surprise me

LOL actually I know of someone exactly as you described - a creepy and pontificating "Hippy Bro" type. Grew up in NJ with me, went to school in Vermont, moved to Central Coast of CA (hates on L.A. to the point of annoyance because it's not "Green" enough) and even contemplated buying property up on a farm in OR but stayed in SLO instead. I think they stayed because people in OR have also been hating lately on anyone from CA.

I lost touch with him after the 2016 Election if you know what I mean Mainly for his self-absorbed and unapologetic personality, but he was such a handful around my other High School friends that I cut him off. And under the hood he was really just a basic bro with bad tastes. So if they all migrate to somewhere outside of Omaha on a farm (also in attempts to disrupt the Electoral Map) that's fine by me.

[SkyDog77]

Originally Posted by MN_Ski

^ I also think that our generation will move on to the next big thing once we start growing up. I was making a joke the other day about the hipster trends on the past ten years. Mountains, beards, flannel, urban living, etc...it would be funny if living on the plains, or in some agricultural region, will become the next trendy lifestyle. Hipsters buying plots of land to farm, wearing straw hats and shirtless bibs, square dancing, etc...idk. Places like Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, etc start getting mass influxes of people. Nothing will surprise me

Farming sounds like way too much work.

[brightdoglover]

Originally Posted by N610DL

These days it seems like any mid-size city that has any kind of mildly neat identity to it gets an obsession by Millennial's for cheap housing and a central Downtown. Right now it's Portland, Nashville, and Denver. What's next, who knows? Baltimore? Detroit? Minneapolis?...

In a word- Pittsburgh.

And it'll happen anywhere with IT as a growing industry.

[MN_Ski]

I enjoy looking back of my social media posts back from 2009 or so. I was hanging around Detroit, Columbus, Cleveland, Milwaukee, and Indianapolis...it's kind of funny how the "hipster" lifestyle basically started in the midwest and rust belt. I even think back to earlier than that too. I had a fixie back in 2005, and my uncles were brewing craft beer for as long as I remember (well since the 80s). That "lifestyle" was really kind of a reaction to living in such a S*** place during the recession. Broke artists and college students so desperate for something interesting, making the most of the vacant environment. It was kind of magical in a way though. And being able to rent an entire 6 bedroom house downtown in Milwaukee for $600 was awesome.

But once the economy started to improve, it was the basic bros (and women), from the coasts, or well of suburban areas in decent cities attaching themselves to that lifestyle. Their life was so boring, flat, white bread, and without problems, that the "lifestyle" was attractive. But instead of deadbeats and broke artists, it was well-off people who graduated with jobs, or had money from mom and dad. Then...well, we all know what happened. And today, we have this generic, yuppie, plain, urban environment with a "cleaner hipster" vibe. And the cost of living got insane.

Denver, Portland, and Seattle were similar to the dying rust belt, but I think they attracted those well off basic bros first. And sadly, I think a lot of Denver's perceived lifestyle is kind of getting out of hand. I can't tell you how many people I see on my own Facebook who suddenly become Mountain Outdoorsy. They take one trip to Colorado to smoke some weed, and all of a sudden they are decked out in high end REI clothes, driving a subaru, posting selfies with #mountainlife, etc...we all know the type.

It will be interesting to see if this fabricated lifestyle holds up or not. In the end, I think people are always bored with their life, and feel the grass is greener on the other side. They attach themselves to a place or identity to compensate for their lack of personality. I don't think this will all collapse...but definitely taper off.

*End post double espresso rambling.
I also identify my own irony

[N610DL]

Originally Posted by MN_Ski

But once the economy started to improve, it was the basic bros (and women), from the coasts, or well of suburban areas in decent cities attaching themselves to that lifestyle. Their life was so boring, flat, white bread, and without problems, that the "lifestyle" was attractive. But instead of deadbeats and broke artists, it was well-off people who graduated with jobs, or had money from mom and dad. Then...well, we all know what happened. And today, we have this generic, yuppie, plain, urban environment with a "cleaner hipster" vibe. And the cost of living got insane.

Denver, Portland, and Seattle were similar to the dying rust belt, but I think they attracted those well off basic bros first. And sadly, I think a lot of Denver's perceived lifestyle is kind of getting out of hand. I can't tell you how many people I see on my own Facebook who suddenly become Mountain Outdoorsy. They take one trip to Colorado to smoke some weed, and all of a sudden they are decked out in high end REI clothes, driving a subaru, posting selfies with #mountainlife, etc...we all know the type.

It will be interesting to see if this fabricated lifestyle holds up or not. In the end, I think people are always bored with their life, and feel the grass is greener on the other side. They attach themselves to a place or identity to compensate for their lack of personality. I don't think this will all collapse...but definitely taper off.

Back then and even a little before the economy took a dump the BIG metro areas had cheap areas where Hipsters lived that are now filled with Yuppies or whatever you wanna call them. Williamsburg in NYC is a prime example. The real hipsters who actually struggled there will tell you how much it sucks these days. Echo Park in Los Angeles is another example.

All the #mountainlife people - don't even get me started. First of all, they're about a decade too late taking all the worst elements of being a hipster (laziness, addicted to Weed, trust funded, Subaru Drivers) and plopping it down in Denver with an element of smugness & insularity that I just can't stand.

It's funny because now that it's 2018 many of these so-called "Hipsters" have morphed into regular Young Professionals. Really Seattle though? That place has always been pretty GD Hipster dating back to the Grunge scene in the Early 1990s.

Originally Posted by brightdoglover

In a word- Pittsburgh.

And it'll happen anywhere with IT as a growing industry.

Yup. Indianapolis too.

[LHS79]

Originally Posted by MN_Ski

^ I also think that our generation will move on to the next big thing once we start growing up. I was making a joke the other day about the hipster trends on the past ten years. Mountains, beards, flannel, urban living, etc...it would be funny if living on the plains, or in some agricultural region, will become the next trendy lifestyle. Hipsters buying plots of land to farm, wearing straw hats and shirtless bibs, square dancing, etc...idk. Places like Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, etc start getting mass influxes of people. Nothing will surprise me

Hipsters do seem to like to wear wool hats (for some weird reason) in the summer so they should enjoy that lifestyle.

[emm74]

Originally Posted by SkyDog77

An interesting cost of living anecdote to add to the thread.....

Just looking at the website for the Avid4 Adventure camp that we sent my daughter to for a couple weeks this summer, and they offer their program in California as well. One week is $584 in California versus $459 in Denver for the exact same program.

And you can look here for the explanation of why that is

https://avid4.com/jobs/compensation/


California

Position First Year Base Pay
Camp Director $925 / week
Assistant Director & Logistics Supervisor $750 / week
Day Camp Instructor Base Rate
See below for additions to base $13.75 - $14.75 / hour
Aftercare Supervisor $17.00 / hour
Aftercare Assistant $14.00 / hour

Colorado

Position First Year Base Pay
Camp Director $750 / week
Assistant Director & Logistics Supervisor $600 / week
Day Camp Instructor Base Rate
See below for additions to base $10.40 - $11.40 / hour
Event Staff $10.50 / hour
Event Supervisor $14.00 / hour
Aftercare Supervisor $13.50 / hour
Aftercare Assistant $10.50 / hour

[RotseCherut]

Originally Posted by emm74

And you can look here for the explanation of why that is

https://avid4.com/jobs/compensation/


California

Position First Year Base Pay
Camp Director $925 / week
Assistant Director & Logistics Supervisor $750 / week
Day Camp Instructor Base Rate
See below for additions to base $13.75 - $14.75 / hour
Aftercare Supervisor $17.00 / hour
Aftercare Assistant $14.00 / hour

Colorado

Position First Year Base Pay
Camp Director $750 / week
Assistant Director & Logistics Supervisor $600 / week
Day Camp Instructor Base Rate
See below for additions to base $10.40 - $11.40 / hour
Event Staff $10.50 / hour
Event Supervisor $14.00 / hour
Aftercare Supervisor $13.50 / hour
Aftercare Assistant $10.50 / hour

This is not exactly a fair comparison. California's state tax ranges from 8% to 13% depending on your salary. Colorado ha a flat 4.63% tax on your income. That means that if you compare those two salaries, the wages are almost close to equivalent when you factor state taxes. California also has very high sales tax, higher than most areas of Colorado too. Depending on where you live, the rents in large cities of California, even crappy suburbs are higher than most places in Denver. My brother makes over $125,000 a year in the Bay Area, is forced to work two jobs and is barely surviving in the Silicon Valley. He certainly has no savings and probably never will, unless he changes careers and gets out of the Bay Area.

[SkyDog77]

Originally Posted by RotseCherut

This is not exactly a fair comparison. California's state tax ranges from 8% to 13% depending on your salary. Colorado ha a flat 4.63% tax on your income. That means that if you compare those two salaries, the wages are almost close to equivalent when you factor state taxes. California also has very high sales tax, higher than most areas of Colorado too. Depending on where you live, the rents in large cities of California, even crappy suburbs are higher than most places in Denver. My brother makes over $125,000 a year in the Bay Area, is forced to work two jobs and is barely surviving in the Silicon Valley. He certainly has no savings and probably never will, unless he changes careers and gets out of the Bay Area.

It’s a fair reason for why the camp charges more in CA.