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We know there are thin people who have T2. And we know there are non-smokers who get lung cancer. So what?
The best way to avoid lung cancer is not to smoke. The best way to avoid T2 diabetes is to not get fat.
Notice that in the diabetes commercials that all the actors who are singing and dancing and boogying and having a great time are fat? There's a reason they were chosen for the commercials.
Being fat is not the cause of diabetes. It is what makes you fat in the first place that can give you diabetes. I do know fat people that have a terrible diet and have no significant health problems. I know there are exceptions but ..
This is an over simplification but for classic Type 2 diabetes cases (if there is such a thing), IMO, and what makes the most sense to me it that it is genetic AND having a bad diet that involves the over consumption of sugar and refined carbohydrates for an extended period of time (years). Both things typically have to take place for it to happen. Notice I said typically, so there are exceptions. If you have the gene and eat healthy you could avoid it. How do we know we have the gene? I don't think scientists have isolated it yet or have they?
Actually, the normal ranges of medical lab values are defined as mean +/-2 SD and "abnormal" does not equate with "unhealthy"- eg: 7ft tall is abnormal, but not necessarily unhealthy.
"Outliers" are data points well away from the group when you only have a small number of data points and there is no meaningful bell curve.
My point was that half of all people are heavier than the mean, and half lighter than the mean. But no conclusions can be drawn about health based on weight.
State of health is binary: if you have zero diseases, you are healthy. If you have at least one health problem, you are unhealthy. There's a weakness in our language: racing cars is "safer" than racing motorcycles, yet neither is "safe." How can that be? Is the guy with diabetes "healthier" than the guy with diabetes and cancer? Neither is "healthy."
Love how you clipped the most important part of my post right out, LOL!
The fact is that "normal" ranges are, in fact, determined using the Bell curve. EVERYTHING is on a range - and that includes A1c values. Some people are fine at quite high A1c levels, but they have chosen the ranges for "pre-diabetic", "diabetic", and "normal" based on where some percentage of the general population fall, taking into account who is and does not seem to be showing symptoms. Some people with "normal" A1c values still experience symptoms of Diabetes type 2; some with high values never show any symptomatology. But most people who fall into the described ranges (which are somewhat but not totally arbitrary) follow the described progression of the disease.
So - not binary.
Health is never binary. Only some diseases can be said to be binary. To think otherwise is extremely short-sighted and definitely a psuedo-scientific interpretation of reality.
By your definition, no human being can be healthy as no human being is EVER physically perfect. That's just silly.
Being fat is not the cause of diabetes. It is what makes you fat in the first place that can give you diabetes. I do know fat people that have a terrible diet and have no significant health problems. I know there are exceptions but ..
This is an over simplification but for classic Type 2 diabetes cases (if there is such a thing), IMO, and what makes the most sense to me it that it is genetic AND having a bad diet that involves the over consumption of sugar and refined carbohydrates for an extended period of time (years). Both things typically have to take place for it to happen. Notice I said typically, so there are exceptions. If you have the gene and eat healthy you could avoid it. How do we know we have the gene? I don't think scientists have isolated it yet or have they?
Oh come on. The best way to avoid Type 2 diabetes is to maintain the correct weight for your height (along with taking a 20-minute walk everyday), and you know it. That your overweight mom and overweight dad had T2 doesn't cut it as being genetic.
We need studies of Type 2 diabetics who ARE the correct weight (and take that 20-minute walk or run marathons). Then we can determine if is genetic, and if it can be related to a certain diet.
Yes there is. It is to perpetuate the fallacy that people like you continue to propagate.
The truth is NOT ALL DIABETICS ARE OVERWEIGHT.
But you continue your own little version of discrimination, no one who matters will mind. And no one who minds will matter. (Thanks Dr. Seuss)
YES, WE KNOW THAT. Just like not all lung cancer victims smoked (about 8% did not).
But if you want to avoid lung cancer, the best way is not to smoke. If you want to avoid TYPE 2 diabetes, don't become a tubby. There just aren't than many thin Type 2 diabetics, and you know it.
YES, WE KNOW THAT. Just like not all lung cancer victims smoked (about 8% did not).
But if you want to avoid lung cancer, the best way is not to smoke. If you want to avoid TYPE 2 diabetes, don't become a tubby. There just aren't than many thin Type 2 diabetics, and you know it.
I know no such thing and neither do you.
I do know that there are many many many overweight/obese/morbidly obese people who DO NOT have diabetes. So obviously there are many factors that determine if one becomes diabetic.
I do know that there are many many many overweight/obese/morbidly obese people who DO NOT have diabetes. So obviously there are many factors that determine if one becomes diabetic.
AND MOST SMOKERS DON'T GET LUNG CANCER. Are you suggesting it's OK to smoke?
Oh come on. The best way to avoid Type 2 diabetes is to maintain the correct weight for your height (along with taking a 20-minute walk everyday), and you know it. That your overweight mom and overweight dad had T2 doesn't cut it as being genetic.
We need studies of Type 2 diabetics who ARE the correct weight (and take that 20-minute walk or run marathons). Then we can determine if is genetic, and if it can be related to a certain diet.
I never said that my parents had T2 or were even overweight. My mom is quite lean and my dad was of normal weight and they were not diabetic. Genes are not necessarily passed from parents directly to children and that is common knowledge. It could and often does skip generations. The gene is similar to a cancer gene. That theory has been proven time after time. Same goes for T2. My paternal grandmother was quite heavy and lived to 98 and had perfectly normal cholesterol and NO diabetes. She ate whatever she wanted with no worries.
OK, folks. One more attempt to straighten you out. An example:
Hypertension is defined as bp>140/90. If one has hypertension and takes their pills, the bp will come down to < 140/90, but you still have the disease hypertension.
Diabetes is defined as a bs> 120mg%. If a diabetic exercises, eats properly and takes the proper meds, the bs will come down below 120, but he still has diabetes.
Re: genetics-- you can't "get" diabetes unless you have certain genetic patterns. It's just like the genes for dark tan-- you can have the genes but you don't get tanned unless you get some sun.
They have found specific genes for T2, but there are many more combinations possible, not found yet. It's complex inheritance. That's why it's not readily apparent that it's genetic.
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