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People who are thin and who exercise regularly can still get it. It depends on many factors. Diabetes is a condition of insulin dysfunction. That can happen to anyone; obesity doesn't have to be present for that to develop.
Most Type 2 diabetics are fat. Let's not beat around the bush. Call a spade a spade.
For the 5% of Type 2 diabetics who exercise and are slim and fit, there needs to be an intensive study to see if a determination can be made why they developed Type 2 diabetes. Could it be an extremely high carbohydrate, low-fat diet? Maybe. Or perhaps it is truly random. Let's find out.
Wouldn't that be incredible if they could pin it on something (like a high-carb, low-fat diet)? We would have the "cure" (a higher-fat, lower-carb diet). Of course that knocks out tens of billions of dollars to Big Pharma, so we may never get that study.
Most Type 2 diabetics are fat. Let's not beat around the bush. Call a spade a spade.
For the 5% of Type 2 diabetics who exercise and are slim and fit, there needs to be an intensive study to see if a determination can be made why they developed Type 2 diabetes. Could it be an extremely high carbohydrate, low-fat diet? Maybe. Or perhaps it is truly random. Let's find out.
Wouldn't that be incredible if they could pin it on something (like a high-carb, low-fat diet)? We would have the "cure" (a higher-fat, lower-carb diet). Of course that knocks out tens of billions of dollars to Big Pharma, so we may never get that study.
Don't "they" pin it on high carb, low-fat diet already. That seems to be a no brainer from all I've read about diabetes. But the drugs keep on getting pushed and keeping pharma fatter.
For the 5% of Type 2 diabetics who exercise and are slim and fit, there needs to be an intensive study to see if a determination can be made why they developed Type 2 diabetes. Could it be an extremely high carbohydrate, low-fat diet? Maybe. Or perhaps it is truly random. Let's find out.
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Please note that an N of 2 does not make any statement truth, fact, or even reliable. But I'd like to add:
The two super thin, fit type 2 diabetics I know WORK OUT A TON and off-set their insanely high-carb diets with 40 mile daily bike rides, etc. But they both ate a supremely high carb diet their entire lives. One of them was the sandwich king. I loved seeing his posts about the delicious sammiches he ate all the time. He's actually still not on meds bc he gave up the sammys.
Don't "they" pin it on high carb, low-fat diet already. That seems to be a no brainer from all I've read about diabetes. But the drugs keep on getting pushed and keeping pharma fatter.
Not the American Diabetes Association. They recommend a diet that is good if you are not diabetic or pre-diabetic, but terrible if you are. Way too high in carbs. As long as they push "healthy" whole grains for diabetics (which spikes blood sugar like candy), they are the enemy (but the friend of Big Pharma, which donates millions to the ADA's "search for a cure." HAH!
Please note that an N of 2 does not make any statement truth, fact, or even reliable. But I'd like to add:
The two super thin, fit type 2 diabetics I know WORK OUT A TON and off-set their insanely high-carb diets with 40 mile daily bike rides, etc. But they both ate a supremely high carb diet their entire lives. One of them was the sandwich king. I loved seeing his posts about the delicious sammiches he ate all the time. He's actually still not on meds bc he gave up the sammys.
That's interesting.
If you have the time, Google Tim Noakes, who is a South African doctor. He ran marathons and had written a book 20(?) years ago about the benefits of a high-carb diet. Guess what? He became a Type 2 diabetic. So he has "switched sides," and now is a crusader for a high-fat diet. And who are his enemies? Why the South African diabetes association of course. Why? Because they are bought off by Kellogg, Nestle, and the other junk food companies.
If you have the time, Google Tim Noakes, who is a South African doctor. He ran marathons and had written a book 20(?) years ago about the benefits of a high-carb diet. Guess what? He became a Type 2 diabetic. So he has "switched sides," and now is a crusader for a high-fat diet. And who are his enemies? Why the South African diabetes association of course. Why? Because they are bought off by Kellogg, Nestle, and the other junk food companies.
Cool. I will.
I just think that it's interesting to see how many educated people really believe they can eat whatever they want bc they will offset it with tons of exercise.
My SIL, an Ironman triathlete does this all the time.
Her outside looks great, but I cringe to think what her insides look like.
Big Pharma invented diabetes and distributed it among the population about 200 years before Sharpey Shafer figured it out insulin was the key. Eli Lilly and Novo Nordisk made lots of money selling the insulin that they produced before WW2, saving lives of diabetics who usually had short lives until that invention. But finally, in 2017, the especially prescient and -impressed-with-themselves-brilliant posters among us have figured it that it was a dastardly Big Pharma plot all along. Along with all their evil organizations around the world of diabetic research institutes and doctors treating diabetic patients. Finally, the game is up on the biggest conspiracy in medical history.
Big pharma also makes potholes in your roads, are hiding the cure to hunger in a box in a vault in Alabama, and own Sweden. Only the especially intelligent who are able to disregard facts and who are expert practitioners of fundamental attribution error can see this tho.
This is only partially true, according to both of the Newcastle University studies (one small study + one larger followup study), and the McMaster study. According to all three of those studies many cases of diabetes stem from excess accumulation of fat around the liver and pancreas...so the solution in those studies was about reducing the amount of fat around the pancreas and liver through extreme low calorie diets and exercise, (and in the McMaster study, intermittent fasting) not about lowering blood sugar, at all...raising or lowering blood sugar, as you say here, is merely a symptom that is being managed once it is lowered..but according to the doctors in each of those small studies, the actual problem and solution to type 2 diabetes is removing excessive amounts of fat from the insulin receptors of the liver and pancreas. Another study conducted by Dr. Valter Longo at the University of Southern California produced the same findings.
These studies showed a normalization of insulin response in type 2 diabetics (without medication), not just lowered blood sugar. At that point, theyre are able to be considered diabetic in label only...but certainly not so by any clinical standard.
There is no way to specifically lose weight "around the liver and pancreas". To do that you have to lose weight all over.
As was previously pointed out to you, also, insulin receptors do not bind fat.
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Originally Posted by soletaire
Of course youre free to believe whatever you want to believe, as we all are, but the scientists actually who study type 2 diabetes for a living have found that losing 1 gram of fat from the pancreas/liver removes diabetes in many patients...if people want to claim that science is "patently false", thats certainly their choice...there are also those who still believe the earth is flat...I would encourage you to direct your patently false allegation to the doctors who study and report the findings though, as Im not the one making the claim...but its ironic that you mention surgery, since actually, even MORE research shows bariatric/weight loss surgery DOES eliminate diabetes/normalizes insulin response in most cases.
You really need to source your claims.
There would be no way to even measure a loss of "1 gram of fat from the pancreas/liver".
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Originally Posted by rubygreta
Most Type 2 diabetics are fat. Let's not beat around the bush. Call a spade a spade.
For the 5% of Type 2 diabetics who exercise and are slim and fit, there needs to be an intensive study to see if a determination can be made why they developed Type 2 diabetes. Could it be an extremely high carbohydrate, low-fat diet? Maybe. Or perhaps it is truly random. Let's find out.
Wouldn't that be incredible if they could pin it on something (like a high-carb, low-fat diet)? We would have the "cure" (a higher-fat, lower-carb diet). Of course that knocks out tens of billions of dollars to Big Pharma, so we may never get that study.
Most type 2 diabetics are obese, but not everyone who is obese is diabetic and some diabetics are not obese. You want to believe that maintaining a normal weight will prevent all diabetes. It would greatly reduce the number with diabetes but not totally eliminate it.
By the way, the percentage of diabetics who are not obese is 15, not 5. The 85% who are obese still need to lose weight, but making up numbers does not help your argument.
"Today, roughly 30 percent of overweight people have the disease, and 85 percent of diabetics are overweight."
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Originally Posted by rubygreta
Not the American Diabetes Association. They recommend a diet that is good if you are not diabetic or pre-diabetic, but terrible if you are. Way too high in carbs. As long as they push "healthy" whole grains for diabetics (which spikes blood sugar like candy), they are the enemy (but the friend of Big Pharma, which donates millions to the ADA's "search for a cure." HAH!
It has been pointed out to you before that the ADA no longer recommends a specific diet. Repeating your claim that it does, even when you have been shown that it does not, just demonstrates your irrational dislike of the ADA.
"They [the ADA] also state that, 'there is no single ideal dietary distribution of calories among carbohydrates, fats, and proteins for people with diabetes, macronutrient distribution should be individualized while keeping total calorie and metabolic goals in mind,' and also that, 'The consumption of sugar- sweetened beverages and processed 'low-fat' or 'nonfat' food products with high amounts of refined grains and added sugars should be strongly discouraged.”
The article points out that some people find it easier than others to drastically cut carbs. No diet works if it is too hard for the individual to follow.
In regard to whole grains spiking blood sugar like crazy, that is not universally true. It's not even universally true for white bread.
That is why diabetics need to monitor their blood sugars so they can learn what foods they personally need to avoid. That is the approach the ADA actually recommends.
There is no conspiracy for the ADA to make recommendations that will increase medication use for diabetes.
If you have the time, Google Tim Noakes, who is a South African doctor. He ran marathons and had written a book 20(?) years ago about the benefits of a high-carb diet. Guess what? He became a Type 2 diabetic. So he has "switched sides," and now is a crusader for a high-fat diet. And who are his enemies? Why the South African diabetes association of course. Why? Because they are bought off by Kellogg, Nestle, and the other junk food companies.
It's alarming how much misinformation is out there on diabetes. I've spoken to people who teach classes to diabetics on how to cook and eat correctly. They teach people to eat a banana as a mid-meal snack, and the meals they present tend to be high-carb, but because they're non-refined carbs, whole grains and such, these "experts" believe these are balanced meals appropriate for diabetics. It's scary the info that's being disseminated to people.
Cooking classes for high-risk populations nationwide are all about using whole grains and stevia in cookie recipes, and other baked goods! Nurses providing health screenings at health and wellness fairs in high-risk communities insist that "there's no such thing as pre-diabetes. You either have it, or you don't. There's no intermediate stage."
YIKES!
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